No unfortunately not - looked for this one a few days ago - where did you find it ? Anyway this came to be of interest again a few weeks ago under a tread about Furutec AC outlets and I did resurrect the "shootout" I'm in need of a PLC program for a Allen Bradley PICO Controller - specifics of it is here https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/6567Anyone wants to take the time to write this program go ahead and we will conduct the test - I'm sure I can get the San Diego Audiophile group out to our facility for this - usually Hamburgers and Beer bribes work :-) Good Listening Peter |
So did this shootout ever take place?
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I have a sneaking suspicion by the time this shoot out gets done we will have a whole new way of delivering power to the system and wall outlets will have gone the way of the dinosaur. |
Judyazblues,
I think that your comment is way off base. Peter is very open about what he does for a living, and when he occasionally pitches his own speakers, it's in a good natured way. True, he is taking a long time to complete this shootout, but he has a business to run, and I haven't heard anyone else step up and offer to do it.
Besides that, if you bother to look at his posted replies to others threads, he is very generous with good advice to those who need it, which is not earning him anything dollar-wise, just respect. As far as respect is concerned, he has mine. |
The 5 year plan is continuous use of the threads for self promotion.
The AC deal is a smokescreen. |
Comrade Peter's 5-year plan? |
The great AC shootout marathon continues.
Almost 2 years and nothing.
Are we sure this isn't another government program? |
This comparison is worth waiting for, and being a public service exercise and not a for profit one, makes it secondary to paying the mortgage. Peter I hope you have a great time when the shootout takes place, we await the collective results. |
I don't know what it means either :-) but would love to hear that after a long time of planning and talking that this shootout actually takes place so we can hear about the results please! |
I'm with Peter. What does it even mean? |
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Cerrot,
Other than the time it took you to type your enlightened and truly insightful post - what is your investment in this ?
Good Listening
Peter |
Pretty pathetic. Truly pathetic. |
I'll look forward to reading the shoot-out results, by the light of Halley's Comet. (wink) |
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Geoff,
Never mind how great your feedback is - I'm NOT buying your teleportation tweak :-)
Good Listening
Peter |
I purchased single outlet Hubbell 6361's less resonance I believe, all brass and copper save for some external mounting and one terminal screw which I replaced for brass. I had these triple cyro'd and ordered single gang stainless [virtually non magnetic] steel mounting plates. $6 for each of the outlets $6 for the plates and 20 bucks for the cryo for the 10 I had treated. In the past I found some name brand Gucci priced duplex's that were suppose to be entirely non ferrous, non magnetic. Guess what with the aid of a neodymium magnet I made the internal parts hop around so they were not as written non magnetic. I sent all these back. Some complain that copper based alloys may oxidize and wear more quickly the single plugs are full and never unplugged. All my power cords use copper connectors as well so I may never see or hear the affects of galvanic corrosion. I believe in the synergy of using the same materials.Tom |
No not given up - its all but ready to invite the guys from the San Diego Audioguild over for the test.
Sorry this has taken so long, things that actually make some profit just seem to get in the way :-)
Good Listening
Peter |
I am waiting by the phone. |
Bump - I'm still hopeful that this shoot out is in process. Please, don't tell me you gave up the evaluation. |
I have a dialog going with Darren of Avatar, seems that we will get a Afterburner outlet included in the test too.
Audiotweak, possible, a brief glance at the posts by the 4 posters you mention seem to have a common tread to them, negativity. If that is the case them maybe the poster should take his/her own advise.
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07-16-11: Audiofeil
Let the guy spend his money as he chooses and mind your own business.
Which probably needs more attention anyway.
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Good Listening
Peter |
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Theaudiotweak, I think your right! |
Riddle me this Batman could it be that this Judy is the one and not only Judy 426. That Demon traveled side saddle with Wc65Mustang who in real life with another alias is Audiofeil. Tom |
Good job following through (with your incessant negativity) Judy.
Maybe someday you'll realize that your self gratification of being a forum killjoy is ultimately self-defeating. |
Thanks....cannot pull one out of the wall but I'll see if I can get another ordered and broken in in time to send out to you. |
I'm hoping to get the shootout done with the help of the San Diego Audio and Music Guild the middle of December, they are schedule to meet at our facility to audition the New XmaX kit we designed for SB Acoustics along possibly a new Speaker to be offered through our Liberty Audio company.
Stay Tuned
Peter
PS If you want a Afterburner included send me one, I will send it back to you after the test. |
Good job following through Petey. |
Zephyr,
I concur with your opinion of the Afterburner 8. I bought it on the word of an Audiogon member, and Darren at Avatar, and was not disappointed. I suggested to Peter that they should be part of the shoot out. |
It would be great to have this thread reawakened with the results of the shoot-out! Meanwhile,....many months in, I'm still extremely impressed with the 5 Afterburner8 outlets from Avatar that I had put in. They made one hell of difference in my system! |
Yep Geoff your right, the darn thing is still leaning against the wall just waiting to be completed.
The San Diego audio group is slated for a visit in December again this year, maybe we should get it done at this event :-)
Good Listening
Peter |
Wow, a year already. My, how time flies when you're having fun. |
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Its sitting leaning up against a wall in my office reminding me to get to it :-)
Thanks for checking in on this
Peter |
Peter, what became of "THE GREAT AC OUTLET SHOOTOUT?" |
Ferrous metals bend the flux field. That's why if you remove the steel cover from your AC mains your system will sound better. I want to replace the whole breaker box with one of brass and mount it with...Tom |
Gpb,Jea48
I like the idea of the continuos run of wire. I will do that. |
Is it true the Maestro has a steel ferrous mounting back strap? The older version of the Teslaplex duplex receptacle has a steel back strap. The SE version does not. 05-04-12: Ted_d
Bryon,
If it's any consolation, the new Teslaplex SE dose not have a magnetic back strap. Thanks to your input (and others) I began experiments with not magnetic materials in the construction of the Teslaplex and found this made a substantial improvement.
Yours in music,
Ted Denney III
Lead Designer, Synergistic Research Inc.
Ted_d
>http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?raccs&1280581691&openusid&zzTed_d&4&5#Ted_d
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Ozzy, shouldn't each outlet be homerun to minimize the breaks and differences ( ie metallurgy) in the tabs?
03-04-13: Gpb
I thought the same thing when I looked at the power strip photo. It would seem the receptacle on the end would suffer the most from the wiring daisy chaining configuration. This might work better...... Use one piece of solid core #14 or #12 wire for each run from the IEC inlet connector to the receptacles. Each wire would be formed so the wire would connect to each receptacle by one side mount terminal screw. Each wire is continuous unbroken from the IEC connector to the last receptacle. The insulation around the wire would be carefully removed and the bared wire formed into a horseshoe around the receptacle terminal screw. Before tightening the screw, slightly close the horseshoe with needle nose pliers around the screw. With this method there is still a chance of transfer vibration between the receptacles through the single connected conductors. I would think due to the quality of vibration dampening of the receptacles any transfer vibration would be minimal. Another method would be to use 5 pigtails tied together with a good compression type wire connector for each wire fed from the IEC inlet connector. Each receptacle fed by its own pigtail wires. Jim |
Foster_9, Well I actually have 3 Maestro, 4 Synergistic Teslaplex SE, 4 Audience Croyed, 2 Oyaide R1, and a few Hubble Cryoed.
With all of these outlets I have been able to try all of one type or mix and match.
Well to me the Oyaide R1 is the best overall and it grips the plug like no other. With the Oyaide R1 The bass has a tight deep sound but the outlet also presents the best overall balanced sound.
The other outlet types have slightly different sound characteristics from each other and I would have a hard time picking the second best. |
Ozzy, I have a Maestro. Do you have a preference, and what did you hear comparing the Oyaide R1, SR Teslaplex, Maestro, and Audience outlets? |
Ozzy, shouldn't each outlet be homerun to minimize the breaks and differences ( ie metallurgy) in the tabs? Though it looks pretty. :) |
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I own and have recently compared Oyaide R1, SR Teslaplex, Maestro, and Audience cyoed outlets.
My simple test was to put them into my home made power strip.(you can view the power strip on my systems page). |
@Browns...exactly...often called a dedicated line. I had an electrician out who was friendly and showed me how to add a breaker to a panel (I wouldn't recommend anyone do this themselves without a full understanding of wiring codes and safety issues). He ran one dedicated line for me and I ran two more. He ran a standard 20 amp using 12 ga and I added another 12 and one 10 ga for my main amp. Probably overkill but you know anything less and the obsessing haunts, and note 10 ga is a pain to run being nearly twice the thickness of 12. Anyhow the cost was minor in the realm of this "hobby." I can't quantify in detail today how much that changed the sound back then...as I recall it got bigger and rounder...and I wasn't tripping breakers anymore on power-up. |
I think the "shootout" will be fun and interesting. There may even be some surprises. Thanks for taking this on!
PS: I'm not suggesting this but it would very interesting to have the whole batch cryo'd after the initial test and doing it all over again, just to stir up another area of contention. :^) |
i have a large collection of power cords, but did not consider that an outlet would affect the sound of a stereo system as much as a power cord. |
Gpb, can you elaborate on the dedicated branch circuits? Is this a sub panel dedicated to audio only? |
as someone who has tried to tune my stereo system, using a variety of substances and approaches, can someone indicate the extent to which a change in an outlet can affect the sound of a stereo system, as compared to a cable or component ?
03-02-13: Mrtennis
Mrtennis, Question, have you experimented on your own with power receptacles? Do you know from experience whether a power cord can change the sound of your audio system, good or bad? Receptacles can change the sound of an audio system just like a power cord can. Both good and bad. Basics of a receptacle used to power audio equipment? * Size and surface area of the contacts. * Contact pressure against the inserted plug blades. * Material metal used in the construction of the contacts of the receptacle. *Plating of the contacts? Some good some bad. No plating, can be good. Ferrous nickel plating bad. * Yoke, supporting back strap, ferrous or non ferrous? Experimentation has shown steel is bad.... * Side terminal screws. Ferrous, non ferrous? Non ferrous is better. * Receptacle body type of material used. * How well the body holds the electrical contacts in place. * How well the receptacle body controls vibration. . |
I concur with your comments about the Levitons I tried years ago...just lame in comparison to the FIM's I ultimately switched to. And dedicated branch circuits are worth the minimal cost IMO. |
Changing your outlets can affect a change of the same magnitude as changing a cable or component.And somehow the various brands impart different "flavors."One would think any sturdily built outlet with a tight grip would reduce noise,and they definitely do.After trying a hospital grade,a PS Audio,and an Oyaide, I was surprised how different they sound from each other.Possibly it's the various metals interaction with the plugs and cords used? |
Mr Tennis, I was able to remove my amplifiers from power treatment by replacing the AC outlets with Audio Magic duplexes. The replaced duplexes were fairly new levitons. I was a sceptic about all of this but I ran the experiment, since it was not expensive to do so. I was shocked (pun intended) by the difference.
Straight to the wall using the levitons, the amps were very grainy and there was also some brightness as I recall. Insertion of power treatment between the amps and the levitons improved things, but straight to the wall using the audio magic duplexes was even cleaner and the dynamics improved.
I was so surprised by this I thought I was hearing things so I put everything back the way it was to make sure. Nope, this improvement was real. As always, one can't make predictions about the general applicability of what I experienced. As I have said before, this is a cheap experiment. If you try replacing a duplex and it doesn't make an improvement, you are not out much. |
Mr T
That indeed is a good question that I hope to answer with this test - if you have the time read the post that lead to this and you will get my take on it as well.
My position is that if you have a good connection all the way from the breaker to the transformer in your component the make model etc. of the outlet its connected to will have little if any impact. However many of the others involved in the discussion were/are quite passionate about their outlets - hence the test.
Good listening
Peter |
