amg56 - I can’t disprove what you perceive, I can’t prove it wrong, nor are there evidential proof one way or another. That is true. No one can disprove what someone else perceives. However, one can point out (repeatedly) that persons who perceive what should be impossible to perceive, haven’t been completely honest with themselves in-so-far as **how** they "perceived" it. In the case of this thread, the perception was done with ears, eyes, fingers (touch), expectation bias (advanced knowledge), perhaps smell, etc. whereas realistically, the perception should occur *only* with ones ears. |
geoffkait - The best laid plans of mice and men oft go awry.
So to do the best posts/responses oft go awry. geoffkait - I’m saying there isn’t such a thing as a valid listening test. This is incorrect and delusional. |
I embrace the idea of "lets reverse and *RELIABLY* hear a difference" 🤑 cleeds - To be clear.... Sorry, I *THINK* someone else beet you to it. |
cleeds - That's just not true. If it were, you'd conduct such a test yourself. Instead, you demand others do it for you, ante up $25,000 first and work with your attorney to "protect" themselves. Those are the facts, and the reason your posts keep getting deleted.
Again, I direct your attention to this clause in the forum's rules:
" ... you may not use the Services in any way that violates applicable federal, state, or international law, or for any unlawful purpose."
There are no "demands"; at least not coming from me. To your point about the forum rules, perhaps you should be reminded I asked (rather politely too I might add) that any testing and associated procedures would be conducted FILL IN THE BLANK. That ends that argument. |
amg56 - I’ll be in good care, and I’ll have this crappy notebook with the keyboard that has a mind of its own (I swear it’s possessed sometimes) to keep in touch while in hospital. Geoff, take a Valium mate. Life is to short. So forget the competition and let it go. Listen to some good music and enjoy what you hear.
My sincere well wishes during - and after - your hospital stay. @amg56 As to your suggestion to Geoff, didn’t you know that he doesn’t really LISTEN to music? His enjoyment is derived herein the forum. Reminder.. withdrawal can be painful....😌 |
cleeds - But because you’ve agreed to end your demands, we can allow the matter to end here. Nothing to end. From my perspective, it never started. That said, I remain ready, willing and able. |
amg56 - I'm being nice and you still have to have a barbed comeback. amg56's quoted statement is heart felt. To me, anyway. How often have I stated herein the forum not enough folks listen to the heart-of-gold-band. ------------------ @amg56, I would like to offer you some music. Free of course. Available to you via download link I shall send via PM. Format flac or shn. Your choice. Something to listen to while in the hospital.Just ask.... here, PM on audiogon, my private email, whatever. 🙂 http://halr.x10.mx/other.htmlhttp://halr.x10.mx/shows.html |
amg56 - gdhal, Thanks. The list you have is all my era and likes. I would be happy playing any of them. I have a lot of the artists myself on vinyl, tape (old), CD and digital, but there are always holes in the collection. :)
You're most welcome. By all means, feel free to pick one or two shows you don’t have. My list is rather extensive, so I’d recommend using your browsers "find" function 😎 Alternatively, if you let me know your band preference, I can/will package an "artist sampler". 😎 |
Dare I recommend Amy Winehouse and then some Bob Dylan 🤣 |
Here I go again. 🙄 clearthink - .....I remain ready willing and able to prove in a double-blind test the clear, obvious and demonstrable differences in things such as cables and fuses that you have previously insisted do not exist.... Be reminded that the previous back-and-forth we had concerning this subject matter is specific to you - as in you personally - being able to detect an audible difference when ordinary speaker wire is reversed. It didn’t include the much broader category of differences between one particular brand and another, etc. I suspect you know that, but are choosing to "stir the pot" as you so eloquently wrote. clearthink - ....I have a business trip scheduled to the US this summer so this would be a very easy straightforward and manageable matter to arrange so just let us know if your serious .... No need to let **US** know. I’m letting **YOU** know. 🤑 EDIT: I'll work around your schedule. 🤑 |
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nonoise - How is discussing the dangers of substituting a fast blow fuse for a slow blow fuse poetic license, unless you’re insinuating there’s danger to be had when sticking with the correct fuse rating but using a better fuse?
Is that the license (effect) you’re taking? Alright nonoise. 😏 You certainly do have a point. That said, I suspect you know very well that if what I’m suggesting were the case (i.e. that some reasonable degree of poetic license were allowed), many of my prior posts would not have been removed. True? 🤔 fast fuse forum moderation translation: delete post seemingly indiscriminately and immediately slow blow fuse forum moderation translation: think about it, consider other forum member response(s), then act accordingly 🧐 |
geoffkait -
>>>>Even better, why don’t you cut and paste the relevant comments.
Only copying another members post is allowed. No cutting allowed.
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Don't blame me though. I have since put forth meaningful suggestions to site operators
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nonoise -
I hope they understand you better than we, here, do. 🤔
Me too.
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@nonoise
Please re-read the last few posts. The post you are quoting in response to georgehifi was made by me.
We all make mistakes.....
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georgehifi -Yeah right, I’m going to believe a "guy" with a voodoo doll as his avatar.
Don't forget the items he has for sale on his website.
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@oregonpapa
There is a reason manufacturers create/use a "slow-blow" version of a fuse 😅 |
geoffkait - Who is substituting a fast blow for a slow blow fuse? Moderators? Please allow a bit more "poetic license". Thank you. |
geoffkait - Personally I’d like to hear again..... You'd have to actually listen - preferably to some music - and stop simply reading and writing forum posts. 😁 |
cleeds - Perhaps. But the "assumption" is made by those who aren’t interested in listening to ascertain whether a fuse can make an audible difference or not. It seems to me that those who claim an audible difference make no such assumption - they actually listened. Nonsense. According to synergistic, the "listening" you are speaking of comes by listening to the fuse itself, not the speakers, music, etc. Oh, and don’t forget to reverse the fuse too. Happy listening. http://www.synergisticresearch.com/fuses/blue/+1 @wolf_garcia |
Not to worry, I am sure SR will soon release a Purple or Yellow fuse then a new thread can be started and then a case of rinse and repeat. That would be "Purple-Haze". |
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.....and not one of you took it up. What a bunch of wusses. No confidence in what you preach. I’ve experienced this myself in other "related" threads, albeit different forum members. |
nonoise - So thousands of people who do hear a difference are imagining it and about a dozen who haven’t tried it know better. That makes a lot of sense. What doesn’t make sense is why proponents such as yourself don’t take me up on the opportunity before you. You know, the Amy > Bob > Amy > Bob repeat a few more times and see if you can guess right test. +1 @mitch2 |
mapman - It’s that simple really. +1 |
cleeds ..... You insist on privacy because this is a scam.... There’s nothing "inappropriate" about discussing listening tests on Audiogon. No scam, I can assure you. In the scientific double blinded cable test thread, since closed to everyone, I posted - on 03-16-2018 6:56pm an EXAMPLE ONLY (pardon the keyboard problem) procedure, which for no good reason was rebutted and subsequently deleted. I then went on to request (after your rebuttal) that you and others submit *any* alternative procedure. Not surprisingly, that too was/is to much to ask, and you/others never did. So in effect, what you are stating about the appropriateness or inappropriateness of discussing listening tests is also not true. |
uberwaltz - .....Does he truly believe the rest of the audio community who does and can hear that difference( numbering in tens of thousands) are ALL delusional? ..... While I cannot speak or write to what wolf_garcia believes, I believe it is a distinct possibility that "yes", there is delusion at play. Just my opinion, of course. And, by your capitalization of the word ALL, it would seem you too agree that at least SOME are delusional. |
teo_audio....I'm here as the idea that a fuse's distortions and effects are inaudible in an audio amplifier is extremely laughable. Absurd. And, delusional. |
geoffkait - Besides, most fancy fuses are noticeably better than stock fuses right out of the box, even when they’re in the wrong direction. Maybe its your ordinary speaker wire in the wrong direction, fooling you into believing it's the fuse. |
geoffkait - Maybe it’s because I’m...(gulp) ......de-lu-soin-al I agree. You are. |
nonoise - How about, ...... How about Shine your shoes, light your fuse Can you use them old U.S. Blues Lyrics: Robert Hunter Music: Jerry Garcia All the best, gdhal |
uberwaltz - ....At first I really could not detect much change, so I decided well maybe direction is a possibility after all so I reversed the direction of said fuse. This wrought a major sq change and for reasons I admit I do not understand it made me a believer of fuses and direction of said fuses!...
Hi @uberwaltz. I'm curious if the major sound quality change you heard was detected blindly or with your knowing whether or not the fuse direction was changed. In this context, blindly means you do not have sight or any kind of knowledge as to the fuses(s) orientation, you must have at least one other person who performs the fuse reversal (or not), then asks you to state if the fuse orientation was changed, then scores your response, then repeats same for at least a dozen times in order that your claim is consistent and reliable, and your total score is better than 90 percent correct. Thanks. |
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thecarpathian - If these fuses are directional, why doesn’t Synergistic Research label them to indicate the direction they are to be installed? That would expose the fallacy. |
geoffkait - Make sense? 😳
No. Delusional. Remember? |
uberwaltz - Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Please wake me when anything sensible is posted..... @uberwaltz By all means, please do let me know of anything non-sensible you find with my question to you 04-06-2018 11:44am herein this thread. My suspicion is the answer to my question in that post is "no". Happy listening. |
geoffkait - Gdhal, would it be safe to say you’re experiencing another one of your Deadhead acid flashbacks? Or are you always like this? 😬 Question. Have you given any consideration to going back and finishing up your GED? 😀 Possible. Admittedly, I suspect my mind isn't always as "normal" as it would have been had I not "experimented". |
geoffkait - You guys got no evidence. You got nothing.
I got wallet and opportunity. +1 @jetter / @georgehifi / @mitch2 |
geoffkait - One assumes the naysayers would be what, the Jive Five? The High Five? The Beehive Five? The Naive Five? 😀 The James Madison five. |
geoffkait - >>>>>>Maybe the Gang that Couldn’t Shoot Straight? Actually, I’m thinking more along the lines of this James Madison... (X5). http://mistupid.com/currency/ |
geoffkait - I’m afraid you’re missing the point, uberwaltz. This is the fun part. Hel-loo! Except that the funniest and often most truthful of posts have a tendency of mysteriously disappearing. |
nonoise - It takes a high opinion of oneself to consider anyone reading these threads to be naive, setting yourself up as some kind of savior.
Period.
Going back over the fuse threads there are lots of people who’ve tried them, like them, but wisely stay off threads like this. Why get into a pissing contest when you know how to spell your name in the snow?
No need to whip it out again. @nonoise Regarding the naivety, I disagree with your premise that I’m setting myself up as a savior. Hopeful to be, yes. Expecting to be, no. My job is to shed light, and not to master. In my view, this is not about wisdom, pissing contents, or genitalia. Instead, it is about the amusement and entertainment I glean at your and other like minded folks expense. |
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geoffkait - Re electron velocity in copper wire:.....
Re your ability to discern any audible difference with the naked ear.... |
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dwstudeman and georgehifi
p.s. I can only "plus one" as any of my posts are deleted. Presumably this one will be too. And that is probably because geoffkait and cleeds are in cahoots with the moderators.
Even Geoff admitted not long ago that better than 80 percent of his posts are fiction. |
geofkkait >>>If that’s true I’m sure you can provide the post where I said it. If you can’t then one assumes you’re lying, probably out of desperation. 😫
Actually, I'll elect not to provide the specific link. My rationale is that you will merely delete it, the same way you delete some other posts of yours and then claim you have no delete functionality. Do you recall my bringing that to your attention? In any case, better than 80 percent of your posts are fictitious. HINT: another forum member felt I was being to generous, and upped the percentage. |
^As I've stated, 80 percent. And as I've also stated, you have a habit of deleting your own posts from time-to-time. Believe (or not) whatever you - Geoff - like. I'm confident that forum members who have been around here on Agon a while are already familiar with you (your posts) and can easily vouch for the fact that 80 percent (or more) of your posts are fictitious. |
cleeds - ....I’m surprised that you haven’t figured that out by now. I’ve figured out to keep posts short. I’ve also figured out proponents of the impossible are essentially broke. |
fleschler - gdhal - I’m a proponent and I am borderline wealthy-like Don Rickles was when he died Meaning you are able to hear a difference when ordinary speaker wire is reversed?(i.e. maintain polarity, simply take ends on speaker and attach to amp, ordinary means walk in to home depot and ask for wire to fix your table lamp). So fleschler, can you hear a difference with the naked ear (headphones okay) when that type of speaker cable is reversed? |
geoffkait - Which is why any test, blind or whatever, is of no value taken by itself. The value is James Madison X5. |
Geoff, stay out of this please. Thank you.
@fleschler
Waiting for yes/no. |
Geoff, welcome back. I appreciate your staying away from the thread for the short interval I asked you to. And for that, I'll extend a "thank you".
Carry on with your nonsense. |
@chrshanl37
Thank you. I imagine you've read my previous thank you, deleted unnecessarily. You are absolutely correct that the test itself doesn't matter. If you can hear it, you can hear it.
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