Turntables


I am kicking the idea of trying out vinyl. It’s been a long time since I had a turntable and it took a lot of thought whether I can deal with what always seemed like the snap, crackle & pops of an album. Anyway, I’ve decided to take a plunge after all the buzz how awesome it is. Of course before I make any final decisions, I always turn to the Audiogon community for their expert thoughts, opinions and education. I’m also looking for suggestions for a nice affordable table with tone arm and cartridge. Being the fact this is new to me and I may hate it, I’m looking for suggestions on the best affordable set up I can do for a new or used in the price range of $1000/$1500. I’m sure I can get a better bang for the buck going used. I just don’t know anything about these animals. My system is older but I still enjoy it which consist of a Mark Levinson 23.5 amp, Proceed AVP 2+6 used for 2 channel audio, Audio Acoustics model 9 speakers, Ayre DAC for digital with Transparent Audio Ultra mm2 cables. Any input is greatly appreciated!
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Personally I think it cost a lot more to to achieve same digital sound quality with viynl. So buying used is about the only way to go. If it was me I would put good amount of my budget in a phono stage and cartridge. It's really not hard to set up a table if you have the right protractor( down load for free) and don't mind spending a little time learning.In $500 range for phono, maybe black cube, Sim Audio or PS Audio GCPH. Stay away from low output moving coil cartridge, nothing more agrivating not having enough gain you will never be satisfied. I guess I would worry more about cartridge and phono stage than table. Music Hall and Rega were recommended are nice choices, but there are others take your time.
Luvrockin, if your cartridge and phono pre are new it's going to sound bad without break in. It's going to be thin and harsh. That's the bad part of analog there is no repeat button to burn in gear. I mean no disrespect but if you bought phono pre new and could return it I would. Without a full sounding 3D phono pre with gain adjustments it's going to be hard to enjoy your purchase.
See if you have any power cords or interconnects running parallel or even crossing over any of the phono cables, or interconnects  involved in your table including wall wart. Try a cheater plug on phono stage. Some unshielded cables can cause problems. I would also check the ground going to phono pre again just incase. Your phono stage may sound better left on 24/7. 

May  want to put in your cable for digital in your phono pre temporarily just to trouble shoot, that monster cable could be killing signal. You will still need to break everything in but may make you feel better that things can be improved. Is your tracking force set to 1.75 on your counter weight. You could try between 1.50 or 2.0 I believe without damage but may need to research it. I would not give up so soon.

Luvrockin, ran into friend at a party last night that I knew owned Rega p6 and p10 years ago and I mentioned your problem. ( noise gets louder as headshell moves toward spindle) He had same problem with p6 and said it is well documented. So it's not  just you. One thing it could be is motor is not well shielded. He mentioned adding adhesive foil shielding tape over the hole by the motor( this is what rega did with p10). Could also be tonearm is not grounded, there is a wire inside the the tonearm that sometimes comes unsoldered but you have to unscrew end stub off and re solder. From what I understand you can take a wire and touch it to head shell screws or tonearm and ground it to Preamp ground to see if in fact tonearm ground is faulty. You can run a ground from PSU chasis to Preamp ground? Please research this before doing that, I don't want to give false information. He said you can try moving power supply as far from motor as possible. If you touch tonearm screws or tag wires going in cartridge or spindle does noise get louder. Also mentioned was Rega cartridges are not shielded very well, really don't know as I'm not familiar with Rega. Since you bought this at a dealer can they help you or maybe get your money back if table is faulty. 

I could be wrong but sounds like you may have 2 problems motor, power supply and cartridge together causing hum. The pops and clicks when no record playing sounds like tonearm ground problem. My table did pop/click while no record playing when my tonearm ground came lose from chassis. I'm not pointing blame but maybe previous own became tired of fighting multiple noise issues. If it was me I would try to return table. Hope your able to resolve issues one way or another.

Gshepard, I thought op bought table at a stereo shop used and was a trade in as he described being able to demo it before purchase. My brother has a Rega and never a problem. Friend I talked to other night bought p6 new from dealer and fought hum for a few weeks before returning it. Im sorry for implying any deliberate wrong doing, I did not mean for it to come across that way. I just felt bad for op trying to get into vinyl with issues with his new purchase.