What are the specs of a full range speaker?

If low frequencies that serve to merely shake the wall add to one's experience listening to music, then why is it unreasonable to accept that high, inaudible frequencies add to the experience as well? The fact that humans can not hear frequencies above a certain frequency does not mean humans do not experience these frequencies in other ways. Does it?

High frequencies do none of this. Their reported presence in an audio system just feeds into psychosomatic twitching of true believer's brains.
Muralman1 (System | Threads | Answers)

How do you know this, Vince? Does the absence of a readily discernible physical phenomenon like shaking walls prove the non-effect of high frequencies on human experience?

You don't believe that human inner ears or human sinus cavities somehow process high frequencies...even as pressure differences? I believe they do.

Perhaps our friends Guidocorona or 84audio might be able to share some insight.

Pbb, my speakers go down to 16hz, so I am familiar with "room shake" and feeling low frequencies in one's body. As far as HF extension, I was just posing the question without any intention of being argumentative. Since several supertweeters are marketed, and since people who buy them like their system's sound better with them than without them, it seems the buyers must sense something positive. The issue is interesting.

Have we decided on the full range frequency definition? I suppose I'd cast my vote for 30hz-20khz.

BTW, my vote for 30hz-20khz as the full range definition is based primarily on the fact that Stereophile uses this range when they rate loudspeakers.

Personally, I'm more apt to purchase loudspeakers that go down to at least 25hz (and I don't place nearly as much weight on the measurement above 20khz).

06-11-06: Bartokfan
Tvad why would you be "more likely" interested in a speaker that goes down to 25hz /model A slightly less interested in speaker B that "only" goes down to 30hz. Like someone mentioned the most important factor is how well does the speaker perform in the CRITICAL MASS AREAS of 30/35hz through 15K/18Khz.

Because I like to feel the bass in my body. It adds to the musical experience. Personal preference. I suppose based this, I should look for something that goes down to 20hz, but I said 25hz to expand the possibilities.

Emphasizing them will produce an upward balance that seems more airy and alive, but does not correlate with real music IMO.
Muralman1 (System | Threads | Answers)

Not intending to be argumentative here...merely "debative", but it seems to me anything that contributes to a more airy and alive sound also corresponds to the illusion of real music.

Bartokfan, sometimes you speak for me, and my perceived lack of understanding of another's post, when in fact I fully undertand what is being discussed. Furthermore, my comment was in response to Vince's statement about added "air" - even if artificially produced - not correlating to the sound of real music.

I have personal experience with supertweeters in my system, and I understand what they do. In fact, I thought they made a nice difference, but the degree to which they added some air was not worth the price of admission.

There are many first class tweeeters. The SEAS is one to consider.

I appreciate your input.

06-11-06: Bartokfan
Thanks for clarifying. I've never heard a 'super"tweeter before. But I imagine its "super"imposing something on the recorded medium. Adding something that is "really' not there. You have Apogee's correct? Thats a panel ribbon yes? Well those do not produce the highs and lows very well from my experience.

You can imagine all you like, but your opinion must be taken with the understanding that you are commenting on something which you have never heard.

I do not own Apogees.

My speakers are 3db down at 16hz, which I believe is actually a benefit. If they were flat at 16hz, my windows might break. :)

They also measure -3db at 40khz.

No one has commented on the 27.5 Hz A0 piano key. I say one can't bring the piano into the room unless your speaker can replicate all the notes with equal handling. That doesn't even take into account the sympathetic rumbling the A0 key excites in the piano structure.
Muralman1 (System | Threads | Answers)

Not to mention the pedal note that begins Sting's "Brand New Day". I know the CD has started when my windows start to shake. Couldn't do this with wimpy limited range 30hz speakers. :)