Eminent Technology ET-2 Tonearm Owners



Where are you? What mods have you done ?

I have been using these ET2's for over 9 years now.
I am still figuring them out and learning from them. They can be modified in so many ways. Bruce Thigpen laid down the GENIUS behind this tonearm over 20 years ago. Some of you have owned them for over 20 years !

Tell us your secrets.

New owners – what questions do you have ?

We may even be able to coax Bruce to post here. :^)

There are so many modifications that can be done.

Dressing of the wire with this arm is critical to get optimum sonics along with proper counterweight setup.

Let me start it off.

Please tell us what you have found to be the best wire for the ET-2 tonearm ? One that is pliable/doesn’t crink or curl. Whats the best way of dressing it so it doesn’t impact the arm. Through the spindle - Over the manifold - Below manifold ? What have you come up with ?
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Thekong.

The answer to your question regarding frequencies impacted by horizontal Fr is shown in the attached graph.
From memory your Horiziontal Fr was around 5hz with the A-90. So substitute 5 for 1 on the x axis and scale up from there. At 15 Hz (3) the rise in response is almost zero. This is what BT was talking about when he mentions 3xFr.

It could be that the perceived improvement in bass performance of subsequent Rockport arms has more to do with the wand, gooseneck and counterweight arm stiffness, rather than total weight.

Different bearings make virtually no difference to this graph since it is the mass that the cartridge has to push sideways that counts.

The flavour of different arm bearings, however, is another matter entirely.

The various curves are showing different values of Q (damping) Note the level of damping makes virtually no difference at frequencies of 3x Fr and above.
This does not mean that we can ignore the amplitude at resonance, since it is shaking the arm and this has an impact in the audio spectrum. FM and AM modulation.
Bruce reduces this amplitude by decoupling the counterweight. It is an elegant, brilliant solution. Others damp the resonance as I have done. The oil trough, way less elegant, is also a very effective way of doing this.
Both methods reduce FM and AM artefacts.


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What this means, as Spock15 says, at 3xFr and above the arm appears to be solid to the cartridge. We want the cantilever to move not the arm.

Now look at frequencies below Fr. At say 0.25 Fr we get transmissibility of 1. What this means is that, with the compliance of the cartridge used, the whole arm moves sideways. The cantilever does not deflect. This is important for eccentric record issues. In other words stay above a horizontal Fr of 3hz. (4x 0.75hz) ) 0.75 Hz being the frequency seen with an eccentric record ay 45rpm.
Putting this another way. BT uses at 30cu cartridge in his manual to calculate horizontal Fr. The arm weight he uses is 30gm plus 7gm for the cartridge. We have to assume that he is ok with this combination and that he is not worried about cantilever deflection on eccentric records. When using a 10cu cartridge we can increase the horizontal mass of the arm to 111 gm and have the same peace of mind about cantilever deflection with eccentric records. The cartridge is 3x stiffer so we can push around 3x the weight. It is that simple. Forces on the record groove wall are another thing. We use a stiff cartridge this is the price we pay. Don't play heavily eccentric records.

Ha_ha_he_man.

What I hear with a heavy linear arm is this... The music takes on mass. Individual notes are solid. This is not to be confused with "heavy" in the derogatory sense. A live struck triangle has this mass. One can imagine walking up to the sound of it and holding it. It would have mass and a textured surface. This is very hard to reproduce and I do not hear this effect with light linear arms when carrying low compliance cartridges.
Oh dear, Andy Payor doesn't know what he's doing either.

He's just added distortion by incresing the weight of his arm.

The world according to Dover.
05-19-13: Ha_ha_he_man
Hi,
I was wondering when someone will add something useful to this thread that is more in line with modifications with results as opposed to a subjective debate?

Regards
Alx
Ha_ha_he_man

Alx – Much is covered at the beginning of the thread.

Based on my 10 years now with the ET2 and ET2.5.

The recently discussed aluminum gooseneck is very nice but it is unique and costs a lot to make (labor wise). A few hundred dollars. I received only a few emails of interest so far. I am willing to pursue reproductions if more interest is shown.

The biggest mods in my 10 years with the ET2 and ET2.5 has been the quality pump, wiring loom and the leaf spring mod.

For those reading who do not own this tonearm.

The ET2 is like a race car.
It can be tuned for our rooms/gear which represent the different tracks.
For a plug and play audiophile this can represent disaster. A bad nightmare.
If you are plug and play and your dealer sets up your cartridge for you or a friend does it – stay away.
It must be obvious by now to anyone reading here that if your are using an ET2 or Et2.5;

you need to be thinking about what you are doing.

If not mistakes will happen; the poor cartridge is always the victim; even though we feel bad ourselves about it.
So many adjustments can be made.

RichardKrebs
This is very hard to reproduce and I do not hear this effect with light linear arms when carrying low compliance cartridges.

Richard your arm started life as an ET 2.0. We have already discussed here how for a really low compliance cartridges the ET 2.5 works best with the double or triple leaf spring.

05-16-13: Dover
Spock15
I currently own an ET2, Naim Aro & Hadcock unipivot and have just sold off my Bluenote Borromeo ( Titanium tubed unipivot ).

Congratulations Dover on reacquiring an ET2.

Frogman introduced the leaf spring mod to us early on in this thread.

One is able tune this tonearm with different leaf springs (single, double, triple) corresponding to the stiffness of the cantilever being used, and the reactions of the resonances in each of our rooms; and to stay within BT’s decoupled design.

Based on my direct experience I encourage both Richard and Dover to order some loose leaf springs and a Two I Beams from Bruce to make up a double and triple I-Beam setup.

I look forward to impressions of a low compliance cartridge with the double and triple leaf spring.

I have already mentioned here I base my vinyl tuning on what I hear with master tape dubs at 15 IPS.
I start the LP then 10 seconds later the tape. I toggle between the two.

I don’t have any issues with my XV1 when I use the double and triple spring in my room.

I believe you can have your cake and eat it too with the double and triple leaf springs and to stay within Bruce’ genius design.

Chris,

The thicker spring results in a higher resonance frequency. Thanks

brucet


Chris,

You always want the horizontal natural frequency of the counterweight to be less than the cartridge/arm resonance, this is the case 98% of the time.
The natural frequency of the I-beam/leaf spring depends on the thickness of the spring, the amount of weight, and where the weight is on the beam. The natural frequency goes down as the weight moves further out on the beam which is where we want it to be.

brucet


Cheers