Do you believe in Magic?

since we are already in the magic and quantum realm:

http://www.nathanmarciniak.com/elemental/

See the difference?

Yes, Geoff, I do see the difference. I misunderstood what you were attempting to express. My misunderstanding isn't for want of reading comprehension, I assure you.

This unfortunate tangent began when, in response to my comment that it would be more honest for the folks at Bybee to say, "These work. We don't know why," you wrote only the following...

You think that's more honest? Interesting.

That comment was cryptic, and I told you as much. Your "clarification" was...

the word Quantum automatically provokes a response, as if Quantum Mechanics is used deliberately by manufacturers to cover up a more mundane, conventional explanation, to protect their invention. Maybe the Bybee device is only a resister. Lol

This comment does not reduce the ambiguity of your first remark. It intensifies it. It could be taken to mean...

Some manufacturers use the term 'quantum' as a deceptive tactic to conceal the bogus nature of their products and sell them to gullible audiophiles. Bybee's Quantum Purifier is an example of that kind of bogus product.

It could also be taken to mean...

Some audiophiles INTERPRET the use of the term 'quantum' as a manufacturer's deceptive tactic to conceal the bogus nature of their products and sell them to gullible audiophiles. Bybee's Quantum Purifier is an example of that kind of unfairly judged product.

I take it from your last post that you intended the latter and not the former. In any event, I would invite you to consider that your meaning is not as self-evident as you seem to believe.

Bryon

I cannot recall a case where a manufacturer attempted to obscure the real explanation for why his product works, only cases where skeptical audiophiles refused to accept "far out" explanations, wanting instead to believe there must be a conventional, more mundane explanation. Now, there may be cases where a manufacturer's explanation is either incomplete or incorrect, but IMHO not because he was trying to be deceptive. Unconventional or preposterous devices and tweaks are often discovered accidentally; then the manufacturer, assuming he wishes to provide some sort of explanation, is faced with the task of doing the best he can, based on his observations and (technical) background.

On occasion, as with the Teleportation Tweak, the manufacturer (moi) does not attempt an explanation. in my case, it's because I wish to keep the operational details secret and because I do not know all the details of how the thing works. Usually I do my best to explain things, so the TT is an exception.

Hi Byron, I agree -- completely. Actually, I have at least 2 dozen "quantum" products from 3 different makers in my system. There is something very curious about all these products. They work incredibly well and I would not part with a single one. The names on these products are Synergistic Research, Audio Magic and Bybee.

Thank you, Geoff, for your substantive response. As it turns out, I don't have an opinion about whether there are manufacturers of audiophile products who deliberately deceive their potential customers with explanations they know to be false. I certainly believe there are people who WOULD do this, but I have no idea if there are people who ARE doing it.

As you can surmise from the fact that I initiated this thread, I find the subject of Magic fascinating. By 'Magic' I mean: any effect not explainable by known physical laws. Some audiophiles believe that any effect not explainable by known physical laws is nothing more than placebo. I do not believe that.

I believe that the universe is much cleverer than we are, so you don't have to go very far to encounter the limit of knowledge and understanding. On the other side of that limit is Magic. I'm not talking about effects that are somehow non-physical or metaphysical. I'm talking about effects that are beyond the limits of currently available explanations.

I would imagine that, as the designer and manufacturer of Machina Dynamica products, you know very well the limits I'm describing.

Bryon