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Selling dispute. Please comment.

I recently sold a pair of mono amps and checked the box that indicated the original manual was included. I never use the manual for something like this and just assumed the manual was in the box as there were some various papers from the manufacturer in the boxes.

The buyer got the amps safely and they are in perfect condition as described. I shipped the same day the item sold. Unfortunately the manuals were not in the boxes the amps came in. These were the original boxes, but the manuals are not there according to the buyer.

I sent him the link to download the pdf of the manual. He is not happy with that. I offered to print a color double sided copy (on good stock) at Kinkos for $20 (at my expense) and ship that to him. He says that the original manual was promised and that I have to deliver that to him. And that he dervers two of them since the amps came in two separate boxes. He is threating to kill the deal and dispute with audiogon and paypal.

I admit that I'm in the wrong for mis-stating that the manuals were included. I will attempt to order the manuals from the manufacturer on Monday, but I don't know that the manufacturer will provide them even if I pay for them.

I'd appreciate comments regarding this problem. Thank you.
jaxwired
elizabeth
6,726 posts
 
A curse would be the most satisfying solution.

Explain to the buyer if he returns them, most likely it will be his fate to never be able to find another pair, or if he does, their will be far worse complications. And he will never be satisfied.
Not because of your evil curse, but rather his own bad karma.
Make it clear this is very much going to happen anyway, you have no power over this, it is his just desserts...
And even if he tries to switch to some other pair of amps, or even any other bits of stuff, this will haunt him, and when the crap hits the fan, he will remember wht a douche he was for making such a fuss over next to nothing.
BWAHAHAHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

Great curse by the way. All you are doing is asking he get what he deserves... fair, impartial.
Magical basis is "grass is always greener curse" where what the person has really is better than what he imagines he 'could' get, and the failure to obey that rule.

And you ask? "Am I making this crap up?" YES, i made it up 'on the spot' LOL
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swampwalker
5,132 posts
 
Per several others, I agree:
1. Buyer is an a$$hole of the lowest order.
2. Buyer deserves nothing more than the best reproduction of the manual you can provide. Many, many products do not ship w hard copy manual these days.
3. If buyer funded pp via a credit card, you may be in a tight spot.
4. Your "error" was harmless/negligible.
5. Your offer to provide a manual negates the error.
6. When you purchase via mail order few sellers provide refund for shipping in either direction.
7. I agree w others that your most pragmatic solution may be to offer a refund, less shipping, to be credited to "buyer" after receipt in same condition, shipped at "buyer's" expense and risk.
rrog
1,958 posts
 
"I recently sold a pair of mono amps and checked the box that indicated the original manual was included."

I find it interesting that so many people here think the buyer is a jerk because he expected to receive what was advertised. We have no idea what communication took place between jaxwired and the buyer. We are hearing one side of the story, but there is always two sides to every story.

Jaxwired is negligent no matter how you look at it. There was no attention to detail even during preparation for shipping.

"I never use the manual for something like this and just assumed the manual was in the box as there were some various papers from the manufacturer in the box.

I have had to return two items in the last couple of years and I should have returned more because sellers are not accurately describing the equipment they are selling. My money was refunded, but it cost me $100 in shipping to find out the bottoms of the speakers were so chewed up from spikes the wood was peeling off the bottom, the grill had snags and the foam around the tweeter needed to be replaced. Because of the problems I have had I am becoming less tolerant of sellers. Maybe this is the case with the buyer in this sale with Jaxwired.
elizabeth
6,726 posts
 
Well Rrog, if you put yourself in the shoes of the seller, and then the buyer. It does seem the buyer is being rather petty.
More in my mind because he actually GOT the amps not damaged, and they are what he wanted, just no printed owners manual (which as mentioned, some companies do not even provide anymore!!)
So the buyer can ship them back, and get his money back, then go find, maybe, some others which have the manual, and whatever, and probably end up with shipping damaged crap, which never gets resolved. he will HAVE his 'original' manuals, but nothing else for it but a headache. And plenty of us would be laughing our collective arses off over it.. At least i will be chuckling.
foster_9
1,610 posts
 
The buyer should be willing to accept your apology and a pdf of the mauual. If not, then offer him a refund.
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