Tube Pre Amp + Tube Phono Section


Please give me some recommendations on a tube preamp (either including a phone section or a line-stage tube pre and a separate tube phone section)
Potential candidates so far:
-Audio Research SP6 or SP8 if I could ever find one in decent shape
-Audio Research LS series + separate tube phono stage (which LS is good?)
-CJ line stage (which one?) + separate tube phono stage
Thanks,
Armin
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Add in the Audible Illusions 3a and the Rogue 66 and 99 full function preamps with tubed phono stages. These are single ended only. (disclaimer: I sell Rogue).

A little more expensive is the BAT vk-30SE. I have not yet heard their (solid state) phono stage, but as a line stage it is first rate. Much better when run balanced.

For external tube phono stages under 1K, I think the ARC PH-3 is very hard to beat. The more expensive Herron vtph-1 is the best real-world priced tubed phono stage I have heard.

For a line stage I like the balanced only BAT vk-5i. I ran the 5i/ph-3 combo for a long time. ARC's newer LS-16 with the supertube is also very good sounding. If you can live with a passive, try a placette with the ph-3 or even an adcom 750. The passive placette plays in the no-holds barred league and works especially well with a strong tube front end like the ph-3.

As mentioned above, you may want to inquire on the price of updating / refurbishing an older piece. Not all manufacturers see this as a high profit center but it can hit four figures pretty fast.

Tube preamps have really come a long way in the last 3-4 years. I occasionally have an older classic around and find it's a little grainy or opaque compared to modern components. Probably the newer parts.
Armin, you really need to say what your budget is and what other components you'll be using them with. With ARc and CJ gear, there's alot to pick from but it'll all come down to how much you want to spend.

Mike.
Mike, I lef the budget out on purpose just to see the feedback I get. My budget is about 2K, however, seems like I can mix and match some used pieces to even get me the higher gain for low-output MC cartridges for this price.

I own some decent pieces, in no particluar order:
-a few Pass power amps,
-Threshold power amps,
-couple of Dyna 70s,
-Dyna MKIIIs
-Gyrodec+SME V (multiple cartridges MM and MC)
-Thorens 124+SME3009SIII
-Maggies 1.6
-JM Lab Tantal 515
-Adcom GFP-565
and quite a few vintage Marantz and other pieces that are more for nostalgic values.

I have never owned a tube preamp. Recently I listened to an SP8 with a high output Denon 103, it blew me away and I decided to get serious about it.

Thanks,
Armin