Is DEQX a game changer?

Yes, thanks for the updates Al. In your most recent round of speaker calibrations, where did you cut off in the low frequencies?

And in general, I'm curious what cutoff everyone made in the bass and how you arrived at that frequency...

Addendum to my last post ... it occurred to me that there was another factor that may have impressed my stepson other than the DEQX. Namely, since his last visit, I sprung for the SE upgrade to my ARC Ref 150 amp. As many may know, it involved switching out the KT-120 tubes for KT-150 tubes, plus ARC made some proprietary circuit changes. Now I'm not sure.

But what the heck ... my rig sounds better than before and that's what counts.

Bruce, yes, thanks for sharing these things with me. I'll look forward to the measurements and/or pics, in part because I'm curious as to what kind of room configuration they would consider to be too small for your speakers.

Roscoe, so far I've tried 7 different speaker calibrations, based on my initial set of measurements (which I will be re-doing from scratch as described above). The lower frequency limits I've used in those calibrations have ranged from 300 to 600 Hz, depending on where the truncation window was terminated.

Nyal had advised that I start out very conservatively with respect to that parameter, even as high as 900 Hz if the end of the truncation window would have to be as close as 5 ms after the direct sound arrival (with other rule of thumb combinations being suggested such as 600 Hz/10 ms, and 350-400 Hz/15 ms, if the truncation window could be extended to those points without encompassing major reflections). Those are obviously more conservative limits than the ones suggested in the manual, but he also suggested doing additional trials calibrating to progressively lower frequency limits, and trying to identify the point beyond which the sound starts to worsen.

In setting the limits I kept those rule of thumb guidelines in mind, while also, as I created each calibration, going back and forth between the screen on which the truncation window is set, and the following screen which depicts the resulting frequency response. In doing that I tried to set the lower frequency limit of the calibration above the frequency at which significant differences started to become apparent in the frequency response plot as I varied the duration of the truncation window.

Also, at the other end of the spectrum Nyal had advised that I should avoid monkeying very much with the speaker's natural rolloff at high frequencies. And in a separate conversation I recently had with Alan Langford of DEQX, (regarding an unrelated matter involving a very minor quirk I had noticed and reported in the operation of the touchscreen that is provided on the HDP-5, about which they were extremely responsive and will be resolving shortly with a couple of changes the user can easily incorporate, mainly a firmware update), he suggested limiting the high frequency limit of speaker calibration to 10 kHz. Given also that my particular speakers have a rise of a few db between 10 and 20 kHz, according to the DEQX measurements, followed by a rolloff above 20 kHz, I certainly plan to follow their advice on the subsequent calibrations. Although the ones I've done so far have had various limits ranging from 10 to 23 kHz.

As you'll realize from my previous recent posts, I can't really say much at this point from my listening experiences as to which of those limits (both at the low end and at the high end) work best with my speakers, because the anomalies caused by non-optimal placement of the acoustic panels when I did the initial measurements affected the middle frequencies and mid-treble too greatly for those other limits to matter very much.

BTW, during the course of the conversation with Mr. Langford he indicated that as a general rule of thumb outdoor calibration often tends to be less necessary for box-type speakers than for other kinds.

As for my status at this point, I've just received the third acoustic panel I ordered the other day, but most of this week I'll probably be too tied up with various family and other obligations to perform the next set of measurements. Hopefully I'll get them done within about a week.

Best regards,
-- Al

Many thanks for that great explanation and for passing along the recs you have gotten from experts on this matter. One thing I'd like some clarification on:

You say: "In doing that I tried to set the lower frequency limit of the calibration above the frequency at which significant differences started to become apparent in the frequency response plot as I varied the duration of the truncation window."

What did these "significant differences" look like. What should we be keeping an eye out for?

Good question, Roscoe, as I should have clarified that statement further.

If I position the window cursor close to the direct sound arrival, say within 3 ms or so to cite an extreme example, and then look at the frequency response on the next screen, there will be a downtrend in the frequency response below something like 500 Hz, roughly speaking. Presumably that occurs because the short duration of the window doesn't make it possible to sufficiently capture low frequency information. (Consider that 3 ms is less than one cycle of all frequencies that are below 1/0.003 = 333 Hz).

If the window cursor is then moved way out, to say 20 ms or so, the frequency response shown on the next screen will show a substantial rise in bass response at many low frequencies, with perhaps a narrow dip or two at certain frequencies.

Intuitively it seemed to me to make sense to set the lower frequency limit of the calibration around the inflection point below which that decrease or increase in bass response starts to occur for the chosen window duration.

This is all consistent with a comment Nyal had made to me that a common mistake is to correct to too low a frequency relative to the duration of the truncation window, the result being an excessive bass boost.

And consistent with various statements in the calibration manual, the subsequent room corrections should be a more suitable means of addressing the bass region, or at least most of it.

Best regards,
-- Al