Otl's with AvantGarde Duos?

Good discourse going on here by two of the audio paragons. For what it's worth, the opinion of the village idiot...

I am the owner of a pair of AtmaSphere M60 OTLs, and have also had the pleasure of being around a Berning ZOTL just over one month ago.

While I will not get into the circuit designs of either, as I have not immersed myself in them. I don't know what is and what is not this or that. I will say that I was more than a bit surprised to find out exactly just how similar both amplifiers sound to each other. And, in the end, is it not really the sound? However close or not the designs are, I have NEVER encountered an amp that sounded so much like my Atmas as the Berning.

Ralph, there are two things that Dave is really not very good at, in fact, he's very bad at, is visual esthetics and marketing :)

If you ask Dave if he's done any marketing, he'll say, oh yeah, just came back from there, got some apples to make apple sauce!

An I'm not kidding.,

I don't doubt what you are saying: One of the more brilliant concepts seen in amplifiers in the last 20 years or so and he has it mislabeled :)

I HAVE BEEN USING ATMASPHERE M-60'S WITH DUO 2.0'S FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS. i DON'T SPEND MUCH TIME ON THE NET SO YOU'RE POST CAME TO MY ATTENTION TODAY WHILE SCANNING THE NEW OTL THREAD ON THE ASYLUM. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHARE MY INSIGHTS WITH YOU AND THEY ARE MANIFOLD. DUE TO THE TIME THAT HAS ELAPSED SINCE YOUR POST, THIS SUBJECT MAY NO LONGER BE ON THE FRONT BURNER SO E-MAIL ME IF IT IS AND I WILL SHARE MY CONCLUSIONS WITH YOU.