BAT's house sound


I am interested in BAT amps. My readings indicated conflicting comments. I noticed that some people say they sound like solid state. They are often compared to Audio Research. Some reviews say they are a touch warm and very musical.
I'd like to get your opinion on the BAT house sound, particularly regarding their tube amps.

Thanks in advance.
eps
I don't have a BAT amp, but still wanted to chime in regarding the BAT 'house sound'. While I was waiting to receive a new VK51se from BAT, I as getting buyers remorse when I started reading threads about BAT having a 'dark' sound.. I didn't know what that meant.. to me it implied 'veiled' or unnatural. I'm waiting for a new cd player, and only have 20 hours on the 51se, I'd rather reserve comment on its sound until it's broken in. But I will say, even brand new I sure don't hear anything 'dark'. I had a dehavilland tube preamp and didn't think it could get much better, but the BAT is in a whole different league in my opinion,(which I guess it should be at @ 3x the cost). I'm hearing things in cd's I didn't know were there. The build quality of the 51se is 10/10 and I was sold after talking to Steve and Victor at BAT. Even out of the box, the 51se sure cured any buyers remorse.
Hello Classical1,

Just you wait, it gets a heck of a lot better. 300 hrs or so and it really opens up and shows its magic! Are you using a BAT tube amp also? I'm one of the lucky ones who has 51se pre-amp and the 150se mono-amps. Over the years I have heard a lot of the competition and I have to say I will be a BAT customer for life. I must add they are great people also.

Enjoy,
Tom
Sorry Classical1. I have to stop posting at 3am. I should of asked what amp are you using?

Thanks,
Tom
Tom - I'm using an Ayre V-5xe. It has less than 200 hrs on it. Purist audio design Venustas speaker cable and have ordered Venustas interconnects. I ordered an Ayre C-5xe cd player-hopefully here next week, so I've got some breaking in to do. I would like to hear the BAT amps someday (especially tube). I was going to go all Ayre but wanted tubes somewhere in the chain. After reading the TAS review of the 51se, where Shane Buettner compared it to the Ayre K-1x the reviewer felt you couldn't go wrong with either, but in the end was "won over by that slightly richer palette from the tubes in the 51se".. I'm happy with my choice and the BAT matches very well with the Ayre amp.
Classical1 congrd`s on your purchase,like Tom said I to would like to say you won`t be dissapointed. I have a 3 pc`s of BAT 51se,75se,p5 w/ a six pack upgrade. I put the 51se into a SS system and went WOW. Added the 75se and went WOW again, they are both keepers. The good thing is their resale, if you don`t like the 51se you wont take a huge hit if you do sell.David