music , mind , thought and emotion

Oh, how painful, one on top of the mountain; nowhere to go but down. Can't walk down because, one's back to square one. Can't jump down because it means an end to live, path, all that times and knowledges are wasted. The only way is to jump up. But where? The door is right in front, yet far away; far away yet, like right at the nose. I'd felt the pain/beauty. :-). I also felt. ;-).

When the mind (internal) rises, everything (external) rises; when everything (external) rises, the mind (internal) rises. When the mind falls, everything falls; when everything falls, the mind falls. When is it end? When is this dualism end? And How?

Twl, "Koan" = "koh'an/ n" is a Chinese pronounciation, but it means "to ponder".

It's Friday, time to jam people.

6ch: is the flag moving, or the mind watching it?

If neither, what is move-ing?

If both, what is move-ing?

How many paths are there up the mountain?

If infinite, what is one's point of reference to say "path"? Where is the center?

The Zen you have on the top of the moutain is the Zen you brought up. If you are attached to the "top", or "thought" or "matter", however, sometimes you don't see this...

If don't see this, what are "you" seeing?

If see this, what are you *seeing*?

The wild geese do not intend to cast
their reflection
The water has no mind to receive their images.

Asa, your above thoughts about mind (consciousness) and matter ("real"world) seem to me highly Jaynseian, hence only once removed Jungian and I could not agree more. (Sorry, generally it seems to please you less, when you are agreed with (-; )Greetings from South Africa this once,

Hi detlof.

I've never read Jaynes. What does he say?

Agree is fine, hello, but order arises from chaos. Stir pot, then, is good too. I didn't make the "rules"...

Hope you are well.

Mark

Moving/stopping is a dual... so is wind/mind. You see the point...

How many path are there up the mountain?
- Let's see, a flick of the eyes is one, a heartbeat is one... Running forever is one (Forest Gump)... You do the math...

If infinite, what is one's point of reference to say "path"? Where is the center?
You're doing it all day, and still ask me? Off-center...

The Zen you have on the top of the mountain is the Zen you brought up. If you are attached to the "top", or "thought" or "matter", however, sometimes you don't see this...
- You keep come back to this, are you a Zen master? Is this because you read to much Zen book? I speak from here; I see all the times, not blind you know! Even the blinds can see; they see the darkness.

The wild geese do not intend to cast their reflection.
The water has no mind to receive their images.

I really don't want to get into the quote of yours (is it yours?). Don't want to be your mirror. The last time I paraphrase the quote still stand. Jump my friend, just jump, not up, not down, not side-by-side, just jump... (brake)

Last of all, please don't call me 6ch. It sounds like 6 channels home theatre. You don't want me to call you As_, do you? Thank you.