What will you be playing to celebrate?

Patrick, I deleted the post; sometimes there is too much heat and too little light. I love freedom of speech and the constitution. I consider myself a good American but opposed the war in Vietnam as well as the action in Iraq. I do not consider my viewpoint to be anti United States, but pro peace. I vote in every election, pay my taxes, and am involved in several civic causes. My opinions differ with those of Thsalmon, and you as well. I do not appreciate being called less than sane because I disagree with the prevailing opinion. As Thsalmon said, and it may be the only point that we agree on, this is a great country due to our tolerance of dissenting opinion. Your suggestion that if I do not like the kids then I should leave the playground is quite amusing. Somehow I thought we were here for an exchange of ideas, that we were all welcome and equal here. Some are just uncomfortable with viewpoints that conflict with their own.

Viridain,

It's unfortunate that you deleted your post. Then again, Audiogon will likely delete this entire thread soon rather than leave it for its historic value. "Some are just uncomfortable with viewpoints that conflict with their own"? That describes well the post you made disappear. Now this thread is mysterious.

So, Here's a question for you. If the war in Iraq was wrong, why has Lybia offered to dismantle its WMD program that it previously said didn't exist? Do you think it would have done so without the capture of Saddam?

Some of us served our country during Vietnam and remember well the way veterans were treated by the protesters. It's funny how the anti-Vietnam crowd rewrites their behavior 30 years after the fact. Nobody in that movement will admit to spitting on the returning soldiers and calling them baby killers. The tune played today is that they supported our troops then (and now) but opposed the war. Not. The truth is that the portesters were antagonistic toward returning troops.

Right or wrong, the political pressure to leave Vietnam made for a too hasty retreat. Several hundred thousand South Vietnamese were slaughtered by the North when we left. This isn't talked about in the never ending Vietnam debate.

For the record I didn't say anything about kids and playgrounds and to paraphrase my comments in that way shows a mean spirit of intolerance which was very apparent in the post you deleted. You made some pretty disparaging remarks about the posters here not representing the majority opinion in the US and that makes you wrong.

While I wouldn't accuse you of being less than sane I will say that you are wrong headed. Of course, that's my opinion on things and, as always, others may differ.

You are just partialy correct. Libya was already making the attempts to please West to lift the embargo, with accepting the responsibility for the downing of the Pan-Am over Scotland, and distanced themselves from the terrorism. Now, that was just over nine months before Iraq adventure. Timing for the additional concesions was just perfect Christmas gift for the Blair and Bush. Thsalmon, if you want to "indetify" me even further, we could meet eye to eye at the Las Vegas CES, and you -and everyone else - can express your REACTIONARY views directly. I am easy to contact!

Patrick, I respect what you say but did want to clarify a few things. In my original post I took issue with Thsalmon's remark that most Audiogoners agreed with his sentimient based on the fact that most of the respondants to this thread did. To me that is a broad assumption. I referred to it as "presumptuous". I never said anything about most Americans agreeing or disagreeing with the thread. I deleted it because of intemperate remarks that I made in response to being called less than sane. Those remarks were a direct and personal attack on Thsalmon and were as inappropriate as his comments. I am not uncomfortable with other viewpoints but I am uncomfortable with being called insane. Name calling is not a viewpoint. I do agree that those who put their lives on the line in Vietnam were treated shamelessly upon their return. Please do not lump me in with this group and paint me with such a broad brush. I was too young to serve, but my brother did and I am painfully aware of the disgraceful treatment heaped upon those who served their country upon their return. It is possible to disagree with the policy and yet support those who have chosen to defend our country. Though many will surely disagree. My appologies for paraphrasing your comments regarding posting here. Their tone and meaning stand on their own.

Viridian,

Apology accepted and no hard feelings.

Kkursula,

My point wasn't partially correct. I was referencing the connection between Saddam's capture and what Lybia has done. I didn't feel compelled to write the history of the world to make that point. But you, ever knowledgable, never reactionary, have it figured out as a Christmas present to Bush and Blair. You lost all credibility with that one.

Such a hostile invitation for the reactionaries to "meet" you at CES was totally uncalled for and seems to be a less than civilized solicitation.