Tyler and Acoustic Zen reviews in TAS


Current issue of TAS has Sallie R(?) reviewing Tyler Linbrook II and Acoustic Zen Adagios. Both get glowing reviews. What I found really odd is that while the speakers are priced similarly and the reviews are by the same person in the the same issue, there is not a single sentence of comparison in either review. I find that baffling. Frankly, this diminishes my trust in the reviewer as well as the editor who should not have let this pass.

In the Tyler review she makes a few comparative remarks against her reference Spendor S8e. The gist is something like this: If you divide up the sound spectrum into parts (lower mid range, mid bass, etc) then Spendor gets more of these right. However, in toto, she finds the Tylers more magical or special or whatever the adjective is. Still, she does seem to prefer the Spendors. Make of it whatever you will.

Everyone is entitled to personal taste without being able to rationally explain it all. So I don't mind that. But I thought a serious reviewer should have compared Adagios to the other two.

I am curious what others thought of this in case you saw the reviews, and how you think the three speakers (Tyler Linbrook II, AZ Adagio, Spendor S8e) compare.
aktchi

I gave up on reading reviews a long time ago as reviews are flawed and so are the reviewers, not to mention their equipment and room conditions. If you could see what I have seen you would wonder how some reviewers get to be reviewers at all. I know my room is compromised but I never thought a reviewers room would be. That goes for with constantly changing gear, poor electric, etc.

So you can read all the reviews you want but you still need to hear a component in your system for yourself and forget what the reviewer says.

Happy Listening
Bill, Dave, Mitch, I'm going to get to your posts in due time. Just briefly, yes, Ty might want to consider another option to the big woodmere's with the dual 10 inch (W26's) maybe with dual 8's (W22) for even better intergration with the middle MTM section. Quite a speaker the Woodmere.
And yes Ty's speakers do not need the 'discounted" sales price, as opposed to the retail price which is much higher. I wish all labs would get rid of the 2 price system, list/retail. As I've said many times, the Tylers use the expensive Seas drivers at $160/each + premium Xover parts, exceptional cabinets, which the speaker sells for slightly above his costs if you add in employees and all overhead. Let me repeat Ty's cost per speaker IS HIGHER THAN ANY SPEAKER ON THE MARKET. And futhermore we all know that old saying, "you get what you pay for'. IOW you buy a Chevy Chevette you pay low and get low quality. Buy a BMW you get,,,pretty good deal. Buy a Mercedes Benz, now you are getting an even better quality than BMW for the same price. (BMW the old ones at least are too complex and high maintaince cost). ...With Tyler's the saying doesn't work. Why? Because you are getting supetior quality at a very reasonable price. IMHO "they're a steal". I'll take on all objections and refuters. If I go on it'll seem like hype, I'll stop there. btw I've known the value of Tyler's for 2 yrs now. i didn't need to read reviews/comments. Those only confirmed what I knew alreday..
Now on to my visit to New Orleans to hear the Spendor 8. Was a shop i bought a NAD/Rotel/B7W system for my wife 3 yrs ago, that system is gone now. Never take the wife along, not one that loves to show power that is....So i enter the main listening roon, 16X14, well acoustically crafted.
The amp is the Audio Research(ARC) VS110, a big 8 tube mono block with the ARC preamp model 12, middle line model, tubes i believe. Yeah I realize pricey amp and pre, out of most of our budgets, but that is what was in the listening room. Along with a California Labs cdp.
The Magneplanars were hooked up when we walked in, so I said sure give em a go. hummm sounded like the Magy's I heard 3 yrs ago, same, didn't care for em. I was wondering how much "fault" was due to the amp. I know the ARC sound as my friend had a big ARC VTL 200, 6 yr model, heard his amp with 2 different speakers, Mirage1 and Talon Khorus. Didn't care for either speaker.
But as i say I was wondering how much was the ARC influencing the Maggies. The sound was cloudy, even more so that my friends older ARC.
Next up, Spendor 8's. Heard the same sound image, just different speaker. So i had to make really que in to the Spendor in spite of the ARC's supreme coloration effects. Taking that into account, I was not impressed with the spendor. And I'll leave it at that because obviously the ARC clouded the real voicing of the Spendor. But I know even with my Jadis, the sound qualities would fall short of the Seas'. Thats as far as I'm going with the Spendor review. Sorry, go hear them for yourself.
There was one other speaker, same size as Spendor, I said why not, Which is it? Was the Cabasse/Sersey at $1100/pr. Its a tweet with TOW 7 inch poly cone midwoofers below. I heard a Cabasse yrs ago(better midwoofers than this new model) at my home with the Jadis, sent it back right away to Northstar, the USA Jadis dealer yrs ago. It was a MTM, good I felt but was looking for better. This new Cabasse was OK, but still had the same sound image as the Maggies, Spendor, so now I realized just how colored the ARC really is. But determining from the Cabasse sound, i could get even a better image of the Spendor. The Cabasse would be the one I'd take home, and not based on prices. Naggies/ $1800, Spendor/$3100, Cabasse/$1100. It was the better of the 3. The differnces were not major, as the ARC ...or was it the CALIFORNIA AUDIO cdp. Yep I bet that was it. I'm sure of it. The Cal Lab cdp totally polluted the amp and the 3 speakers. Though the ARC is not off the hook, it has to share some of the coloration. So the Cla Lab WITH the Arc both togther did not allow any of the 3 speakers to gives it true voice.
However I knwo the seas would overcome that coloration much better than all 3, with the cabasse comming in a distant second.
I'd like to haer all 3 with the Jadis and my tube cdp for no significant coloration review. But that is not to be. You'll have to do your own auditions. Sure I did not hear the Spendor in "ideal" conitions, but its what was avaliable.
That is my straight up review. Just an opinion, as is every other in the Absolute Sound.
Let me repeat Ty's cost per speaker IS HIGHER THAN ANY SPEAKER ON THE MARKET.
Really? That's a sweeping statement that would require considerable inside information from all speaker manufacturers to validate. How did you come to this conclusion?
I'll admit I should not have posted that fact, it sound s like a cheap sales pitch. I wish i had not wrote that fact.
Oh well tis done.
I've seen worse things written in many audio reviews.
Ok I can't prove it, take it as a 2 cent opinion.
I felt like I was pushed to say it.
Bart, Now would be a good time to lay off the Hurricanes...LOL!

Sincerely,
Robert
RSAD