Speakers Like Merlin VSM?

Bobbyapalkovic: ...nothing of any substance is to be taken from black and white comments that have no substance. and if you can't see that, you are just a buffoon trying to provoke this further. if you don't like it...don't read it.

Who is going to decide what is black, white, has substance or lacks it, if not everyone for themselves? OTOH you seem to know just what is what and whoever sees it differently is a baffoon? (To those who have rushed to talk about your graciousness, I can only suggest that a little explanation is called for.)

Now the second part: "If others don't like it, they don't have to read." Communities don't work that way. I can't walk into a church or concert or a museum, behave disuptively, use foul language, and claim that whoever doesn't like it can just ignore me.

A'gon is a community for many and whoever disrupts the atmosphere deserves to be called on that. Your conduct in this thread has gone beyond just expressing your own opinions. You have sought to impose your opinions and judgements on others, and tried to bully them with personal taunts and foul language. That is quite simply not acceptable.

Fiddler; If 99 people out of 100 love something and I am the only one who doesn't, then that leaves me with two choices. I can continue to be a moron and say that I am right and everyone else is wrong or I can step back and ask myself if I could be wrong.

Considering that most people love mass-market junk, I would suggest a little more confidence in your own taste. :) Mercifully, there is no audio product on which 99% people agree, and you probably don't face this dilemma very often.

Wellfed: I feel deeply for every manufacturer that has had their livelyhood affected by erroneous conclusions...

You obviously have a good heart and I appreciate that. However, if you are buying one pair of speakers, no matter who you choose or how, there are hundred others who didn't get chosen and they all need to make a living. Similarly, once we declare something to be "erroneous" it sounds undesirable but who decides what is erroneous? Let people make their own decisions and these things tend to work out on the average.

Aktchi,

You obviously missed the point or avoided the point. Your response is like comparing apples and screwdrivers.

We are talking about peoples experience with EXACTLY the same product, the Berning. The 99% remark I made is in reference to people who have heard or who own the ZH270.

But it's easier to obfuscate than to address the specifics, huh?

I read one thread were an audiophile was reviewing some world class studio speakers at the manufacturer. The audiophile claimed that there was no bass and that something had been wired up incorrectly out of phase. The audiophile even argued vehemently with the manufacturer...insisting something was wrong.

The unfortunate reality is that heavy resonant bass (with all that harmonic distortion) is cheaper to manufacture and sells better than lean accurate bass. Sadly it has become so widespread in the speaker industry that many listeners have actually come to regard this as "normal correct sound".

aktchi,
i owe you nor anyone else an explanation!
personal taunts and foul language?
what are you reading?
and i have expressed no personal opinions on anything audio but a few people's behavior and chioce of words.
you have repeatedly twisted the statements i have made and you and bombay have called me names which is truly sad and only damages your standing.
a buffoon (a clown) you certainly are! you were the one who used the word baffoon. there is a difference you know.
the only thought i would like to impose on people is that it is nice to be kind and fair and if you don't get that, there is no helping you.
twist away!
bobby

There are differences between a statement that is an opinion, to one that is supposed to be taken as fact, Bombaywalla has had this dance before with exactly the same results.
I think the last time he called the ZH-270 junk, now it's great for debugging a speaker!

I have no problem whatsoever with anyone not liking the Berning ZH-270, it's not an amp for every "SYSTEM" or everyone's perception.

However the Berning is accurate without the coloration of output transformers, it's capable of matching speaker impedances (sophisticated patented RF impedance device), therefore remains accurate on varying loads, which are all speakers, it is true auto bias, taking a electrical picture every 1/60th of a second, it has brownout protection, short protection, DC sensing protection, spike protection, unmatched efficiency, 15-20 year tube life, cool running, light weight, high resale value and unparallel reliability, this is the complete package that is unbeatable by any other tube amplifier ever made.

All this ends up being is a extremely transparent product that does not hide nor colors anything and this is why the amp is used by so many manufacturers.

FYI, you can still get the ZH-270 without any upgrades exactly like the older model.

Bobby, I would like to thank you for doing the right thing, that is what gentlemen do.

Allan
Berning Co.