Audio Research and Martin Logan Montis
Bfin3 It may sound very good with your 80w tube. But with this statement for the measured Stereophile tests, it maybe not at it's "best" with tubes. "Stereophile: Either way, that this speaker is a difficult load for the partnering amplifier to drive is compounded by the high electrical phase angle. The shape of the impedance trace will result in the Montis's top octaves shelving down when the speaker is driven by a tube amplifier having a high source impedance." Cheers George |
"03-05-15: Georgelofi Bfin3 It may sound very good with your 80w tube. But with this statement for the measured Stereophile tests, it maybe not at it's "best" with tubes." I haven't read Stereophile in years, but one thing I remember is that you have to watch them with their measurements because the person doing them is usually not the person reviewing them. And when that happens, they don't have listening tests to verify there will be a spec related issue in actual use. Going by actual experience with ML, and looking at the specs ML lists, I don't see cause for concern. Unlike the SL-3's and some of the other models mentioned, this pair of ML's has a powered woofer. An advantage none of the others had. The amp just has to drive the panel. ML list's the speakers at 91db and recommend a minimum of 20 watts. I've never been one to trust amp specs, but speakers are another matter. They don't want someone to buy they're speakers and have bad results due to low power, so most manufacturers seem to recommend what's really needed to drive the speakers. But also, looking at a recommendation of an amp that puts out 200 watts into 4 ohms, who's watts are we talking about? All the companies measure them differently. |
Zd542 This is the kind of non linear frequency response that may happen with a tube amp at 4.5khz with the Montis, -2db!!! because of it's -55 degree phase shift and combined 3ohms load, because the amp can't deliver current. It has nothing to do with wattage! It's all about current. Not very flat is it? http://www.stereophile.com/images/archivesart/A88FIG01.jpg Cheers George |
03-06-15: Zd542 Well your not listening to a flat frequency response, it like having a fix tone control embedded, + - 4db from 20hz to 20khz As for the Prodigy, it too has an evil load, of -55 degrees with 3ohms, but it's further up around 7khz. http://www.stereophile.com/content/martinlogan-prodigy-loudspeaker-measurements As for Bfin3 Spire's there is no load v phase angle graph done on these, so who knows. Cheers George |
