Dylan wins Nobel Prize in Literature


Awesome.   Best news I've read in a while.
mapman

If civilization survives to Y4K and historians remember the 20th century, they will likely underscore the significance of the counter-culture and its music that reified social and political currents during the first war lost by the USA. Dylan will be remembered above all other writers in this context.

One could argue as well that this award distinguishes the resurgence of the bardic tradition as a popular art form, in the context of a declining general readership for traditional literature and poetry. Maybe next go-round Trump will win one for his Twitter feed.

The further question is whether Dylan will acknowledge the committee and appear at the award ceremony. Clues may be found in the lyrics to Day of the Locusts on New Morning-- a song about his honorary degree granted by Princeton. 

dgarretson
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10-19-2016 3:51pm
If civilization survives to Y4K and historians remember the 20th century, they will likely underscore the significance of the counter-culture and its music that reified social and political currents during the first war lost by the USA. Dylan will be remembered above all other writers in this context.

Ironically perhaps Dylan would be the first to disagree with the counter-culture connection. Or being labeled a folk singer or representing the anti war movement or singing songs about or representing the counter-culture.


I certainly am no literary scholar, but I think I am safe in in agreeing with simao that Dylan is no Dante and will probably not be read in 2000 years or even be remembered. Will any Nobel winner, for literature or otherwise, be remembered in 2000 years, including the 2009 winner of the peace prize? I can't imagine so.
On second thought my previous post may be wrong. Perhaps the 2009 Nobel peace prize winner may be remembered as being in the eighth circle of The Inferno in Bolgia 5.

Great posts, both dgarretson and Geoff, even if they come from divergent points of view. Though it’s true his lyrics were indeed considered almost the soundtrack for the counter-culture movement of the 1960’s, Dylan has stated (in the 60 Minutes interview with Ed Bradley I believe, as well as elsewhere. Perhaps in Chronicles Vol.1?) that he feels little connection with that culture. Though he was instrumental in it’s creation and development, he walked away from it in 1966 when he went into isolation in Woodstock, reappearing in ’68 with a Country music flavored album. Country, music of the "redneck" culture, the antithesis of the civil rights and counter-culture movements. Dylan was instrumental in the creation of not only the counter-culture, but also the counter-counter-culture! His partners in crime in that movement were The Band, who put a giant photograph of themselves surrounded by all their family members and relatives on the inside of the gatefold album cover of their 1968 debut album, Music From Big Pink. This at a time when the war between the generations was raging. They were having none of that.

Dylan’s speech at the Grammy Awards ceremony in which he accepted his Album Of The Year award (for Time Out Of Mind) is really, really funny. It is in typical somewhat abstract Dylan style, obtuse to those who don’t understand him. The point of the speech was that rewards (not awards) of this life may, if one allows them, corrupt one’s soul. The part starting with the line "Well, my Daddy, he didn’t leave me much....." is nothing less than spitting in the face of the Academy and it’s awards. It is a quite obvious reference to lines in the Bible, another thing that separates him from the generally atheistic belief base of the counter-culture and it’s members.