Do equipment stands have an impact on electronics?


Mechanical grounding or isolation from vibration has been a hot topic as of late.  Many know from experience that footers, stands and other vibration technologies impact things that vibrate a lot like speakers, subs or even listening rooms (my recent experience with an "Energy room").  The question is does it have merit when it comes to electronics and if so why?  Are there plausible explanations for their effect on electronics or suggested measurement paradigms to document such an effect?
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10-24-2016 11:47pm
Somebody was sleeping the day they taught that an hypothesis IS a theory.
Wow stop showing your hand there. Must be an off-day.

Mapman, aero engineers trump software weenies.







Mr. Kait,

Metal electronic component chassis are conductive for resonance. Metal springs are also conductive of resonance. The metal spring touches the metal chassis and conducts resonance towards the greater mass (racking system or structural flooring) via physics, laws of gravity and motion; hence a mechanical coupling and energy transfer becomes part of the formula.

Ligo this and Ligo that…seismic vibration this and seismic waves that…. Never do you present words like musical performance, musical quality, ‘audible’, decay, sustain, rhythm, dynamics, harmonics, response time… you know - words that are truly meaningful and understandable to everyone here - words that listeners relate to.

Mr. Kait states: - It's the same concept that audiophiles use to prevent seismic type vibration from interfering with laser assmblies, tonearms, stereo cartridges, printed circuit boards, etc. by incorporating mass on spring isolation.

AGAIN:

You have yet to respond, answer or clarify or prove to us; how inaudible seismic waves affect the performance of a stereo system in either a standard or more efficient listening environment, nor have you provided any indication as to how such waves have such a dramatic effect on the ‘audible performance’ and/or musical quality of playback equipment when mechanically grounded.

Do inaudible seismic waves affect the performance of musical instruments in some “audible” way that the world is not aware of?


Do these ‘inaudible’ seismic waves that are present every minute of every day in our lives result in any detrimental “audible” effects?


The KEY word here is ‘AUDIBLE’ which is the most important word to anyone involved in music and/or sound reproduction.


As always, Good Listening!

Robert - Star Sound  



One assumes you are speaking for yourself. I am not spoofing anything. I’m as serious as a colonoscopy without benefit of anesthesia. It actually appears you are simply reinforcing the idea that your OP was nothing more than a deliberate troll. To whit, "Mechanical grounding or isolation from vibration has been a hot topic as of late." Following on the heels of the deleted thread on the same topic. If anyone is spoofing the industry it’s you.

have a nice day
Your caricature of an audio business is brilliant.  
Anyone with google can look up the meaning of hypothesis versus theory and determine what equating the two indicates.


Audiopoint wrote,

"Mr. Kait,

Metal electronic component chassis are conductive for resonance. Metal springs are also conductive of resonance. The metal spring touches the metal chassis and conducts resonance towards the greater mass (racking system or structural flooring) via physics, laws of gravity and motion; hence a mechanical coupling and energy transfer becomes part of the formula."

if you’ve been paying attention I’ve always said you have to do both, isolation and damping. But since damping the top plate is easy and cheap I don’t really get your stubborn resistance to using steel springs. Anyway, there are many ways to skin a cat. If steel springs bother you so much just use air springs.

Audiopoint also wrote,

"Ligo this and Ligo that…seismic vibration this and seismic waves that…. Never do you present words like musical performance, musical quality, ‘audible’, decay, sustain, rhythm, dynamics, harmonics, response time… you know - words that are truly meaningful and understandable to everyone here - words that listeners relate to."

LIGO is a favorite example of mine for why seismic vibration is so important for optics and electronics. I’m surprised you haven’t caught on yet. I’ll leave it to you to use the musical instrument metaphor, incorrectly much of the time, I might add. I actually think most of those nouns you refer to in the above paragraph are quite stale and overused.

audiopoints then wrote,

"Mr. Kait states: - It’s the same concept that audiophiles use to prevent seismic type vibration from interfering with laser assmblies, tonearms, stereo cartridges, printed circuit boards, etc. by incorporating mass on spring isolation.
AGAIN:

You have yet to respond, answer or clarify or prove to us; how inaudible seismic waves affect the performance of a stereo system in either a standard or more efficient listening environment, nor have you provided any indication as to how such waves have such a dramatic effect on the ‘audible performance’ and/or musical quality of playback equipment when mechanically grounded."

When you say I haven’t PROVED how seismic vibrations or seismic forces affect audio performance I would say it’s not really my job to prove it. I’m only describing what seismic forces are, what produces them, how they affect optics and physical objects and electronics. I also provided you with examples of audiophile seismic isolation, including my own devices. Vibraplane has sold something like 10,000 units since being introduced 20 years ago to high end audio. I won’t say that’s PROOF, but it is evidence that something’s going on. Something that you for some reason appear to be completely unaware of, albeit blissfully. You keep saying seismic waves. Not sure what you have in mind, but in reality they are seismic (I.e. Low frequency) vibrations which produce forces. You know, forces capable of moving something. They are waves too, but that is kind of beside the point.

Next, audiopoint asked,

"Do inaudible seismic waves affect the performance of musical instruments in some “audible” way that the world is not aware of?"

Honestly I have no idea.

Nest, audiopoint asked,

"Do these ‘inaudible’ seismic waves that are present every minute of every day in our lives result in any detrimental “audible” effects?"

Seismic forces/vibrations are present 24/7 due to (as I’ve stated repeatedly) Earth crust motion, traffic, wind, ocean waves action, the mechanical feedback of subwoofers, etc. Thus, isolating audio components improves performance all things being equal. You should realize we are way behind the point of questioning whether vibration isolation works for audio, I mean unless you’ve been living in a cave somewhere.

Finally, audiopoint added the caveat,

The KEY word here is ‘AUDIBLE’ which is the most important word to anyone involved in music and/or sound reproduction.

Again, we are way beyond the point, at least as far as high end audio is concerned, of having ask whether seismic vibration isolation is AUDIBLE. We are also way beyond the point of having to ask if quantum mechanics is REAL or if black holes are REAL. But I believe no man should be left behind. ;-)

Have a nice day,

Geoff Kait
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