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Where is the significant point of diminishing returns on hi-end turntable?

For those that don’t know me I am newish to this game. Yes, I believe this chase for perfection in sound reproduction is a game. There are endless variables affecting the sound of every system and 100x that in opinions on each of these variables. I love cool $hit as much as the next guy but I am looking for an analog rig and I keep getting drawn into the seemingly endless "what about this option that costs tons more?". I started with a $6 to $10K budget and now I am considering a $25K setup (Table, cart and phono stage) after talking to a local retailer. I will be blunt, I want to be that guy in the Memorex ad from the 80’s that is getting blown away by his system (my impression is he is overwhelmed by the amazing sound coming from that speaker not the volume). Now that I have acquired some pretty descent stuff I am spending 15 plus hours each week listening and really enjoying this hobby. I don’t want to have any regrets and just be marginally satisfied with my setup but where do I draw the line? Back to my initial question; what is a reasonable amount to spend on an analog setup to achieve the best bang for the buck? I may be somewhat unique in that I don’t want to constantly be upgrading my equipment, I just want to buy great products the first time that are very satisfying and spend hours listening to great music. I don’t want to be the guy always chasing the next great thing.
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sbank
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The SME20 just listed today here for $6500 looks like a good value and safe bet. You could try it and sell it without losing a penny if you choose another direction. Excellent engineering from a company that's been a leader in analog for ages. There house sound has been characterized by some as a little dark & dead sounding...which others might call black quiet background and relaxed. So, preferences, blah blah, preferences. Cheers,
Spencer
shydog17
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This won't be a popular comment, but the point of diminishing returns on a turntable is at the very first penny you spend on one. 

A turntable is a low-resolution, high-distortion source based on technology invented nearly a century ago. Skip it.

Spend your money on room treatments, great speakers, amplifier and preamp (yes, and in that order please).

Add to that a music server and a robust collection of 24/192 and 24/96 digital music from your favorite artists. For whatever isn't available in high resolution, that's what a premium Tidal subscription is for (so you can ditch your CDs).

High resolution music completely destroys anything that vinyl can ever dream of touching.
orpheus10
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I hate to bust everybody's bubble, but it has been said that the truth shall set you free, and I come to this forum with a bit of truth, that contradicts a few other truths.

I was just listening to some music from a compilation of the 100 best jazz tunes of the 50's, and I discovered something; while I have most of these tunes on their original record albums, these CD's sound better. Now I'm not talking about any old rig, but a topflight high end "tweaked to the bone rig". These CD's sound better than the original records.

You be the judge as to what this pertains to the future. It has already been ascertained that R to R can sound better than the world's best record spinner. You can verify that information on the "Reel to Reel" thread.


Enjoy the music.
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stringreen
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Remember Mr. Porsche.....its the whole system and how all those black boxes react to each other that will blow you away.  I've replaced one component with a more expensive - more highly regarded piece, and the result was less good than the original.  ....and so it goes.
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ct0517
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rogerabbit
If you want the best sound, irrespective of price, then you should look into the rebuilt idler wheel drive units from Jean Nantais.

my two Canadian cents.
In this small niche Analog world, I believe Jean Nantais is a Canadian icon and rightly so.
I mean C'mon....he took his portable Lenco to audio crazed Greece and challenged a local favorite called an EMT. Apparently it has a lot of fans.
Those in the room felt his Lenco defeated the EMT - as the story goes - for
those that were in the room.

So what does this prove to me, as someone who was not there.

that personal Setup was probably very important.

But..... how many of MMP's local experts even know about Jean Nantais or his products ? 


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