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Class "A" sound, as related to Stereophile.


It's all about the sound.

It's all about sound, not how much it cost; when I got into "high end", I knew right off the bat I couldn't afford it, but I had to find one thing for sure; how do the various components sound in regard to Stereophile's classes, or ratings? In order to know this; I had to acquire the ability to identify "Stereophile's" class "A" class "B" and class "C" sounds, and the only way to do that was: first, subscribe to Stereophile, and next was to go to every high end audio salon within driving distance; there were 5 well stocked "high end" salons within driving distance. (Since I didn't take my wife, that created some problems)

After a few years of subscribing to Stereophile, plus auditioning equipment that Stereophile recommended, I knew the sound of those recommendations, and I absolutely concurred with them; "If you want to hear the music, you got to pay the piper". While that's true, it's possible to get class "A" sound with class "B" bucks or less.

At this moment, I am looking at 8 capacitors that cost $25 dollars each, plus 2 mono blocks with an instant resale value of 6K. Once I take the covers off and go in with my soldering iron, these mono blocks are worth a resell of O; my mission must be a success. After a successful mission, the resell is still 0; but those mono blocks will deliver class "A" or "A"+ sound, and that's some sweet music.

I have to visualize and hear music in my head before I can modify a component to deliver class "A" sound; but that's the only way for me to get what has become a necessity.

The pressure someone is under when they modify, is great, but the rewards are glorious. On these mono blocks, they are too small for the huge capacitors, therefore I have to figure a way to make the case larger. My reward is "sound" with absolutely no relation to money. I often wander if someone with a fat bankroll can identify the sound, or only how much they paid for each piece.


Happy listening.

orpheus10
orpheus10 OP
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Dave, I don't mean to be contrary, but no matter how enjoyable, a trip to the concert hall, or hearing sparkling voices singing in a large beautiful church is, you are dealing in the realm of impossibility (or close to it) in regard to creating this in your listening room.

In regard to DIY and room acoustics, the first thing is "define" what the room treatment has accomplished that makes your listening experience so much more pleasurable. Although our "bass traps" look as different as night and day, they both trap standing waves.


          http://www.acousticsciences.com/products/tube-trap


Notice how those tubes resemble "rug cores". That is just one example of DYI in regard to room acoustics. The improvements delivered by correcting room acoustics are astounding; they are like night and day when compared with, and without.

No Dave, you haven't "hijacked" my original thread, which is basically about achieving "Class "A" sound as cheap as possible. More correctly you have re-directed it to room acoustics, which might yield more improvement in audio than some other things.

Those room treatments in the link above are stunning, and they work. There may be ways to duplicate them if funds are not in hand to purchase them.


Enjoy the music.
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dlcockrum
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Hi o,

Do the best audio equipment designers use other manufacturers’ equipment as a benchmark for the sound of their own designs or it is live music?

I don’t think that the best audio reproduction is that far away from the real thing. More likely that the process of (and techniques employed when) using microphones for recording and multi-step mixing and mastering make this goal seem unobtainable. The best recordings/masterings played on good equipment in the an acoustically-improved room sound eerily lifelike. However, I have never heard a two channel system that will properly recreate realistic spatial reproduction of a crowd clapping during a live performance (microphones are omni-directional).

Many ways to skin a cat. I am honestly happy that you are pleased with your bass traps. Really.

I agree that Acoustic Sciences Corporation (ASC) is among the best out there:

"I do recommend ASC if you are not a do-it-yourselfer and have the cash."

No doubt that the ASC products designed for your or my room and installed/tuned by their experts would put mine to shame. I just didn’t/don’t have $3-$10k to spend.

Best to you o,
Dave

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viridian
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It's interesting, for me, live music is a visual thing as well as an auditory and olfactory thing. So no record will ever equal the times that I saw Miles, or Dylan, or Kirk or Little Richard or the Stones live.

We can argue all day if the best sonic reproduction equals the sound at a live event, but not seeing Kirk stuff four horns in his mouth from 30 feet away at the Vanguard, the smell of cigarettes, sweat and dope filling my nostrils makes any record seem pale by comparison, YMMV.



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orpheus10 OP
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Viridian, the closest to creating the experience you described is in a movie theater; a listening room is a long way from a movie theater.

I had a Phase Linear 4 channel, that was interesting; it created some ambiance, and had features like a "dynamic range expander", that did just that; but when it comes to accurately recreating music, I prefer the way were going, which requires a lot of expertise, but it can't be beat in the small area of a listening room.

Until we complete the journey were on, we wont know how far we can go. I'm enjoying the ride in the meantime.


Have fun along the way.
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