Any comments on DAC going direct to power amplifier or to pre-ampliifer?


My local retailer HIGHLY RECOMMENDS the use of a pre-amplifier.  Bricasti believes that going direct to a power amplifier sounds better.  And, I also know that everyone had a "different opinion" about going direct or using a pre-amplifier.  

I am running my Bricast1 M1 SE DAC direct to my Hypex NCore NC400 Bridged Mono Block class D power amplifiers (no pre-amplifier) and like the sound quality very much.   

For me, the sound is more natural and clearer by going direct to a power amplifier. Of course, I think the M1 SE DAC has special “custom" circuits in the analog section to make it sound so good. I returned home and listened to my system.  It sounds terrific and I continue to enjoy and recommend the Bricasti M1 SE DAC.

Please note that we removed the R141 (circuit) from my Hypex NCore NC400 bridged mono blocks, thus lowering amplifier gain by 14 dB, requiring 14 dB higher M1 volume setting for same playback level.  Bricasti says the goal is to have the M1 CLOSE to 0db front panel attenuation.  If you reduce the volume on the M1 SE DAC, you cause more bit reduction meaning you lose sound quality.   We discussed this modification with Hypex and they approved the removal of the R141 circuit.  They suggested we be very careful removing the 4 R141 chips (for my 4 NC400 amplifiers) to avoid board damage.  

I noticed that many of the newer DAC’s (even the new Ayre QX-5 Twenty DAC and many others) have volume controls meaning their DAC/Pre-amplifiers are designed to go direct to a power amplifier (as an option, of course).  

What are your experiences of going direct to a power amplifier or using a pre-amplifier?  Have you compared going direct vs. going to a pre-amplfier and noticed any sound quality differences?  Have you gotten different results from using different DAC's and amplifiers?   Your comments are appreciated.  Thanks.





hgeifman
Most sources today have output stages that are just as "robust" as any preamp's output stage, save for some tube output stage sources, then it needs to be <1kokm ouput impedance, some are not and around 3-5kohm which to me is not  great designs.

Cheers George     
The well-reviewed Holo Spring dac requires a preamp.
Not recommended for purchase then?


Holo Spring dac only has a fixed level output, no volume control, so either a passive preamp or active preamp needed.

Cheers George  
We know that already. So requiring a preamp would not make it a poor design.
Someone who wishes to get the Holo dac in a system that currently has an active preamp would be ok or should he change his active preamp to a passive one as an active preamp adds.......?
And if the new passive preamp doesn't match his current power amp, should he change that too?

Were only talking about the OP's Bricasti and a PS Audio both of which have volume controls, as the thread is about direct in to the poweramps with a dacs that have volume controls.
I don't know how the Holo dac came into this, but it to me looks like a very good R2R  Mutibit dac and the way I like my dacs, and with "solid" output stage which should only need a passive preamp, if the poweramp is >33kohm input impedance. 

Cheers George