Budget SET or SEP recommendations?


Not in a rush, but considering playing with an SET or SEP.  Have only heard a few.  Something fairly inexpensive, worth trying, but not immediately upgrade-worthy.  Any thoughts, recommendations, or similar SET/SEP noob experiences?  Integrated, or not, doesn't matter.

These two seem to be reasonably respectable for cheap, at least according to the interwebs:

Dared MP2a3c
Yaqin MS-300c

Thank you.
stfoth
They are not audio bling, but I've tested and heard these from Japan and was impressed compared to most of the blingy junk from Asia, and the designer has very good cred. He also uses his own "R" core transformers. And are very well priced for what you get.
http://softone.a.la9.jp/english/

Cheers George

Thanks, George.  I take it the Dared and Yaqin, comparatively, are "blingy junk."

The ones you linked to look interesting.

Seems for a few dollars more, can go with Decware Zen triode or Mini Torii.  Folks seem to love 'em.
Not just from Asia.
I’ve seen caps and heaters pushed over their max ratings.
Also output transformers that look a million dollars because of the transformer cover/case, but the inside the transformer bobbin is wound like a scrambled mess, instead of nicely layered and interleaved.

See how the middle one takes more room because it’s just a little scrambled.
http://cynake.sandwich.net/Random/Coil%20Crushing.gif

To get good winding machines to do the first pic cost big money, or you can do it by hand.

Then you have interleaving.
http://sound.whsites.net/valves/design2-f2.gif

Cheers George