Need a preamp with tone controls!


OK, most audiophiles would say I shouldn't need tone controls, but I have a good system that plays QUALITY recordings beatifully, so much that it makes me not even want to listen to many of my 70's & 80's stuff. This comprises the largest part of my collection. So I've been looking at McIntosh preamps...great tone controls/equalizers, etc. Any others out there of audiophile quality???
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There are many preamp out there with bass/treble controls. Some of the Vincents do have them. Don't know which NAD integrated you have but NAD c165Bee preamp has controls and is pretty decent. It's very detailed and neutral but some may consider that clinical and dry. I've owned one for a couple of years and like it.
Sorry @lak I have no idea, never heard any of the classic series. Kal Rubenstein at Stereophile praises it though!

Internally, it is a much more substantial device compared to the P5.
A friend owns one of the gigantic Vincent integrateds (SV 236) which Fremer reviewed some years ago, and it's a beast of 150 watts per side with tubes in the preamp stage (seen through a little window)…cute. Sounds great, and I've seen these listed for under a grand…makes any NAD seem like a relative (or actual) lightweight.

I started really looking at the P7 and I can see why Erik continues to recommend this time after time in multiple threads -- as a good priced preamp. In this budget area, I would choose the P7 over the P5 or 2100 every time, even though you don’t need 7 channels!

P7 has an extremely good linear power supply architecture (which is core to sound quality in my opinion). It uses resistor ladder circuits for volume control.

P5 and the 2100 looks to have switching power supply and uses a carbon film or plastic film potentiometer for volume control. Local power supply filtering for analog circuits is also not as good as P7.

The Class CP-800 is going to be a much better preamp than P7, but significantly more expensive too. Both the P7 and CP-800 are towards the high resolution transparent character, so they would not be "softening" your sound.

If you want a softening effect, McIntosh is the way to go. The NAD c165Bee might also be a good option as I have read NAD tends to be on the slightly warm side.

Be careful with tube preamps as tube devices could easily go into a way different sonic signature, such as being chimey or lush or bloomy. This is an entirely new area of personal preference where I don’t have any experience, so I cannot comment.

What is your source/DAC? Are you listening to vinyl or CD? Sometimes a soft/messy preamp can seem to sound harsh, where a very clean/transparent preamp can improve overall clarity and remove harshness. An inadequate power supply in preamp can also cause it to sound shouty and harsh. It also depends on system synergy and can be influenced by other things such as interconnects and speaker cables.

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To be fair, a large part of is that I just don’t listen to that many preamps anymore! :) :) :)

The P7 is not perfect. The output of the Mytek Brooklyn direct to amps is better by a smidgen. What the P7 is for me is a good compromise for a combined HT/music system, at a reasonable price.

But yeah, parts quality matters a great deal to me, especially compared to the P5.

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