2017 ‘Keeper’ speakers under - $25K


Heading towards the second half of 2017, I thought to ask here what other’s feel based on their experiences, wants or desires, exactly which recent production speakers under $25K, would be the ones you would want to marry.

Or be in a very long term fundamentally though not totally committed, relationship.

One wherein if they promise to satisfy on demand, you promise to keep them clean and sufficiently supplied with power and the purest of signals, not to leave dirty clothes on the floor, and to take the trash out daily, er, uh, regularly.

Actually, those last two items are predominately conscience driven and do not command perfect adherence.

Which speakers hands down just flat out captivated your attention, fancy, or were so compelling they made a significant impact.

In short, Speakers that have taken your breath away .

As speakers are merely one part of the ching let’s qualify things somewhat.

1. Speakers which can run very well in medium sized rooms. EX. 14 to 18ft wide, and 17 to 25ft long or deep, with ceilings from 8.5ft to 10ft H, or so.

2. If a sub was or should have been added, please, mention that as well.

3. If an Ultra high end setup, massive SS power amps, Tubes, or flea watt amps, were feeding and or driving them noting it would be appropriate.

4. Recent production since 2015. New or used.

Although it seems prudent to list only current production speakers, I know adding on the facet of pre-owned adds a lot more choices for the ‘desert island’ I got mine, you get your’s, scenario, but what the hey. It beats that 250 to 500 plus hours of run in new units usually insist upon.

If links to accounts or info on them is available, please include it.

As this is about options anyhow, let no design be excluded.

blindjim
pokey77 > I read the last few posts and walked away.

Blindjim > Fan boys! Sheessh.

pokey77 > I still want to further check out the Marten Django L. They were very nice sounding with Zesto tube gear at the LA Audio Show. Also want to hear T+A HV series SS electronics with the Sabrina's - supposed to be very good.

Blindjim > for the most part, We are on the same path in our curiosities. I saw the account on the martin Django XL… not the ‘L’, and liked what I read. The WAS Sabrina as well seems a pretty interesting option although I feel both to be better optimized will need more than a couple handfuls of watts, which in all I don’t mind going with Solid amps, although tubes this time would be a primary choice if possible..

A hybrid amp might be the solution with either speaker. Indeed with a few speakers, like the upper ranges of Vienna Acoustic, KEF, or Audio Physics.

Simple works best for me. Even incorporating subs is not my preff, but often a necessity.

The ONLY reason for even thinking about active sub speakers is my desires on using a tube amp for power. 100wpc or less. Certainly no more than 200w.

Wherever things can be simplified in a system, I’m going to opt in for it. For now anyhow. I’m even beginning to like the notion of a single pair of speaker terminals vs two pairs.

Past years said to me, Focal are not speakers I’d likely ever own, but now, maybe so.
The Soffra versions, Audio Physic, WAS Sabrinas, Django XL, VA Music or Listz, KEF Blades, and on the outside the Personna lineup just out on paper at least all look like really viable well put to gether solutions..

Most, however sure look like they’ll want or need more than any 50 – 100 wpc to control them well. Driving them is another story and less than 100 wpc sure ought to work OK.

Good luck checking out the combos you noted. Clue me in on what you find interesting. Many thanks.

blindjim,

one of my bigger pet peeves is to read thru a review or article on audio equipment, and no one posts the just as important info... like weights, sizes, number of inputs, or outputs, sensitivities, IMP's, damping factors, even cost isn't always squarely confronted on the home website of the manufacturer..


Oh boy do I ever agree with you! 

I've been in the market again recently so have been reading a lot of reviews and it drives me NUTS reading reviews were the specs aren't stated somewhere in an immediately accessible, organized fashion.
How big are the speakers?  How much? What's the stated sensitivity, frequency response, etc. 

Having to wade through the body of the review hoping the reviews has stated these somewhere is so aggravating. 

This is one reason why I appreciate Stereophile reviews so much: I always know exactly where to go to clearly see the relevant specs (not to mention the bonus of the measurements).
Hi blindjim,

So sorry that the dribble here has caused you so much anguish. I mean that.

ctsooner is a good dude but subject to influences as are we all from time to time in this current "society" you so well articulate.

Dave
Guys, Maybe I miss understood the original posts and that can easily happen.  As most know I do have MS and cognitive issues, so often times I do misunderstand.  Jim, condescension is how I read your posts, but maybe I was wrong. I'll reread and if wrong, I am sorry, but I do hope you feel better with your posts back at me.  

On to the topic.  Guys, who are looking at new speakers, just I personally feel the Ayre gear or Aesthetix gear (if you want tubes) are great with the upper end Vandersteen's.  My biggest thought of Sasha vs Quatro is that the Wilson's will be exciting, but have much less detail than Vandersteen.  Make sure you bring your own music that you are very familiar with and listen for the micro and macro detail.  Have something with you that has decay and try and remember each speaker (I know you most probably already know this, but it never hurts to hear again, lol).  Wilson has done a great job in their new tweeters as they are much easier to listen to for ME.  

As for Marteen, I too like their sound, however I personally don't like how they run their company. They have messed over a couple of dealers I know of (feel free to Google as I think you can read about another dealer they messed over). I chose not to do business with folks who screw others over, but again, that's just me.  The problem is that it can very easily devalue the products.  Again, that's just me.
@blindjim 

I went back and read the account of your condition. I'm now enlightened. I do appreciate the knowledge. As for me, I grow impatient with websites and I can see just fine. Now I have a new appreciation for your world.

@ctsooner 

I also have an appreciation for yours now as well.

So, I feel it would be helpful for you both to know where I'm coming from when you read my posts. First, I've been into the highend since the 80s once I could afford it. My current system is:

McIntosh MA6500 integrated
Martin Logan Vantage speakers, powered 8" woofer
Oppo 105
Shunyata Power and a few PCs
Harmonic Technology speaker and interconnect
PS Audio power cords

I've had this system for 10 years and really like it. It also does 2-channel home theater duty as well. And my next system will have to do the same.

I live in SoCal and four years ago I started going to the audio shows in Newport as well as going to the LA & OC audio society GTG's. Mostly just for fun at first but after a while I realized the quality of a well set up and synergized system. I found myself first pulled into Mbl and their electronics. I still am, they are just so much fun to listen to from the entry level system, about $32k, all the way up to the Extreme System (I've heard many of the mega-dollar systems and the Mbl for me is the undisputed king). Then when the Wilson Audio Sabrina came out a few years ago, and I heard it with ARC gear,  I found another speaker/system I was very intrigued with. High resolution yet a sense of pace and as ctsooner says, exciting. These two speakers, along with the Marten Django L and Vandersteen Treo CT have really caught my attention. 

Here's how I've heard them set up:

Mbl
I've heard all their systems and I like the synergy that an all-Mbl system brings. The entry level system with the Mbl 126 standmount speaker (two 5.5 inch woofers), C31 CD-DAC, & C51 integrated (Class D). This setup is so musical and exciting, can pressuring a big room and is supremely lovely.

Sabrina/ARC
The Wilson Sabrina is just so good with Audio Research tubes. First heard them with the newer Gsi75 integrated (75 tube watts), Bricasti M1 DAC and Audioquest wire (if I recall correctly). This was at Sunny's in SoCal. Wow. Many at the get together really liked this system, I still remember that day. I walked away in love. Later heard the Sabrina's with D'Agostino gear and Bricasti MI and the same feeling, but the D'Agostino gear is well out of my price range. Then heard them most recently at the LA Audio Show, Sunny Audio again, with the ARC LS 28 pre and VT 80 amp (75-tube watts) and was just smitten. Spent a long time in that room. Heard vinyl, which was very good. But so was the ARC Ref CD9. Every digital track was just so good. I often dream of that system too. Pretty sure it was using Audioquest cable. 75 quality-tube watts have absolute authority over the Sabrina's. I would really like to hear them with T+A HV series integrated plus CD DAC.

Marten 
Django L with Zesto tube gear, Merrill Williams turntable and Cardas cable. Heard this only for five minutes at the LA show but was very impressed and may pursue farther. Will also research ctsooner's comments in regards to this company.

Most recently Vandersteen Treo CT
Haven't heard them since the 2C model 30 years ago. McIntosh tube pre and SS stereo amp plus sony hap-z1es. Not sure what the week link was, but think it could be even better and I like McIntosh. With this gear it was ultra smooth and revealing but lacked a bit of sparkle the Sabrina's and Mbl bring. I'd really like to hear the Quatro Wood CT and Ayre electronics.

The reason I mention in detail the speakers and electronics is because I believe unless you choose each of these two very carefully, you'll never achieve the best synergy. I feel the speaker/amp interface is the most critical in system synergy. It is all important, but you must get this right.

Before I sign off Jim, you mentioned the Sopra 2s. I've heard them a bunch of times and all but one time they were a turn off. Heard them with both tubes and SS. The one time they were pretty good was with PrimaLuna as I mentioned previously, and PS audio direct stream DAC with Mac book and pretty expensive cable (forget brand). Very well setup. But for me, they don't compete with the speakers mentioned above. They are a step down for me. 

@ctsooner  - I'll probably contact you at some point on Vandersteen.

@blindjim  - best of luck in your search.