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Clearaudio Innovation Wood or shoot for the stars Techdas AF 3

      I currently have a VPI Prime turntable with a Benz Micro LPS-MR cartridge and a Simuaudio 610 lp phono stage. I was about to upgrade to Clearaudio Innovation Wood with probably a Kuzma 4-point arm when my wife says that this better be my last turntable upgrade and she said I could spend more for as long as I never ( never probably means 5 years, I hope ) upgrade my turntable again. This got me looking at the new Techdas AF5 ( just launched at the recent Tokyo Audio Show). However my dealer prefers  of course the more expensive AF 3  with a Graham arm. Although, he can also do  Kuzma except I have to wait for an armboard as most Techdas armboards are already pre-drilled to fit Graham's. I have heard the Clearaudio extensively in a friends place with the Universal arm and Mysonic Lab Signature Gold and its sounds great but I have never heard the AF3's. Though I have heard the AF1 in another friends system which costs  probably 20 times mine and it sounded beyond this world ( at least for me). Hoping that the trickle down technology on the AF3 will get me 80%-90% of the sound of the AF1. 

    Now, the question is which table to get? Assuming home audition is not possible ( but of course I will try ). The cost of the AF3 will leave me broke ( to do anymore upgrades to my system) but hopefully happy and satisfied.  The technology on this thing alone makes me want to buy it. The awesome reviews help too. The Clearaudio also has good reviews. I've heard it, it also sounds wonderful and quite a few people here own them and  it leaves me wiggle room too to upgrade some other stuff ( ARC REf phono 3 perhaps or  an additional cartridge for different flavor ) . Though I noticed that owner's keep them for a few years ( from my back reading of threads ) but still upgrade to much higher priced turntables ( hence my hesitation ) as this is  sort of the "last table for life" kind of situation. 

     This a once in a lifetime deal ( because of the wife's blessing and the amount involved ). I don't think she'll give me another chance like this one .  Hoping your thoughts/inputs can point me to the right direction. Thanx.
      
PS. Please do not suggest other brands, due to availability and dealer relationships these are already my finalists, so let's limit the discussion to the 2 above mentioned turntables.
attymbb
wrm57
629 posts
 
If I were you, I'd wait for the new Technics before dropping that dime.

FWIW, I owned an Innovation Wood with Universal Arm for a couple of years, with Graham Phantom II in second position. While I liked it well enough, I never really loved it (even on a Minus-K), preferring the drive and grip of my other deck, a Nantais Reference Lenco II. So I sold the Clearaudio and never regretted the decision. I'm not trying to diss the deck, because it is very good; I just never found it all that engaging.

Later, I picked up a used Brinkmann Oasis at a good price, mainly because I wanted to check out direct drive. While not without its flaws, it is more to my taste (on the Minus-K) than the Innovation. It is better than the Lenco in its precision and timing, and not too far off in drive and grip. The point is: direct drive, done well, is pretty hard to beat. I'd bet the new Technics will be quite special and worth serious consideration. I'm planning to check it out.
nkonor
605 posts
 
I need to win a small lottery. HiFi+ has a review of the AF3 paired with a SAT arm. Spendy combo for sure but I would go for it.
attymbb OP
25 posts
 
nkonor,

           Just read the review. I need to win the lottery as well to afford that combo, though it makes me want to go straight to my Techdas dealer. But, I will stick to the plan.  
           update: my ARC dealer was hospitalized for a week so there's a delay in the home demo of the Ref Phono 3. Should be with me though by the end of the week. 
nkonor
605 posts
 
attymbb, 

Happy that your still with us. Excellent; yes, stick with the plan. At this level, jumping headfirst into things just gets us into trouble.

Update: there is a post on Analog Planet about the prototype Technics 10R. It will be made to be able to be used with other tonearms. Another game changer for me. My desire is #1 AF3 / SAT combo or #2 Technics 10R / Tri-planar 12" combo. Cartridge of choice - TBD.

Best
Norb
lewm
6,770 posts
 
I always try to keep in mind that even on a six-figure turntable, and with all the attendant other expensive "stuff" to match it, in the end we are still playing vinyl discs that we may have spent 8 or 10 bucks on and that some previous owner probably played on his BSR changer. (Of course, it could also be a $500-Blue Note that someone once played on his BSR changer.)  There's just a limit on what can be squeezed out of the grooves, and beyond a certain point, there's no upside.

Attorney, I wasn't thinking of anything in particular in your downstream chain of components that would be inadequate to the task of reproducing the output of an AF3, but it would be something that would start to bug you.
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