Questions from a Tube Preamp newbie


I have my Rogue RP-5 back from warranty repair and I am loving how it sounds. While at Rogue, they installed 4new JJ 12au7-s tubes. Sounds great. I have some questions.

1. with about 2 hours daily playing, how long do typical preamp tubes last (I have heard Rogue's, like CJ, can be hard on tubes)

2. Do new tubes need broken in? if so, what is normal time frame?

3. Does tube rolling really make a difference on a preamp vs power amp?

4. What is the general concensus on JJ tubes for a preamp? Again, I am really happy with the sound, so I probably won't change. However, I will eventually probably get the itch.

Thanks
aberyclark
@aberyclark

1. I leave my 12AU7 based line stage on 24/7 and the tubes just go on and on.

2. Yes, in my experience. After about a week they are where they will stay.

3. Don’t know as I have never had a tube power amp. With a total of 5 tubes in my system, I have found tube rolling to make a difference in sound quality.

4. Not a fan of JJ tubes in my experience. I use all Gold Lion 12AU7 tubes sourced from Cryoset. The tubes are cryogenically treated and seem, again to last forever. When you are ready to "roll" I would strongly encourage you to contact Ron Sheldon at Cryoset and give the Gold Lions a chance.  You can always talk to Ron and see what tubes his customers have had success with in a Rogue preamp like your's.
When I called Rogue to inquire about tubes for my RP-5 preamp, NOS Mullards were recommended to me.  I purchased a matched set of 5 (1 spare) from Uncle Kevin at Upscale for 60.00 each.  It truly brought the preamp up a few notches and I have used them ever since.
+1 hifiman

I also like the Gold Lion from Cryoset lifespan approximately 5000 hours
@stereo5  Good to hear that the NOS Mullards are working for you.  I sourced NOS Mullards from Upscale several years ago, and they sounded good but they just didn't last very long in my circuit.  No catastrophic  failures, just the tubes got very noisy.
1) Some pre-amps are 'hard on tubes' - usually the manufacturers will acknowledge this and will recommend using only very rugged tubes (Audible Illusions and Audio Research come to mind. ) Under normal conditions with most tubed pre-amps you should be able to get at least 3000 hours. (You can do a search on line to find out Rogue's reputation on this unit, or call Rogue for the real skinny.) Some a lot more! 10,000 hours is not unheard of.

2) For small tubes 24 hours will reveal their sonic signature. Change thereafter will be nominal until old age sets in.

3) Small tubes in both pre-amps and power amps are influential on the output, the pre-amp perhaps more so because it output is dependent on one tube type, but with a power amp its sound is based on a matching between the power tubes and the small tubes which gives a lot more flexibility in the sound of its output, i.e. you can fine tune it more easily. 

4) JJ tubes can be fine if you like their sound and they are low noise. I have used them often without problems. I usually change them out only to change tone. Good life expectancy and they are cheap(!) so you can have a few spares around should you need them. Since you already have them just enjoy and wait for the time you want to explore sound changes using different tubes.