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Opening a can of worms

Here is the can filled with opinions. It's been hashed and rehashed to infinity and beyond with no clear result. Since I am a seeker of truth I'll post my thoughts here for the yea and naysayers to debate over. Question is: Are expensive speaker or any other cable in a system worth the exorbitant cost over a reasonably priced cable loom? I thought I'd  experiment myself to find out. My comparison is between Transparent Ultra cable loom and Blue Jeans cable loom on a pure stereo system comprised of Proceed PAV,  Proceed PDSD,  Krell Kav 250, Musical Fidelity A3cd, Sony Ps4300 TT and B&W 803D2 speakers. All sources were used by this experiment using identical playback material. Cables had in excess of 200 hrs burn time and all were identical in lenght. The only variation were the connector manufacturers.
One change that occurred during this 4 week long endeavor was that I'm firmly seated on the sharpest picket on the fence.
My result is that I'm now a believer that there are audible differences in cables. I also believe that these differences are minute and one has to really listen carefully and for a long time to discern these differences.
Now to the crutch of the matter, $$$$$, As we all know Transparent Cables would reside in the upper tier of Audio Cable expense.  Blue Jeans Cable on the other hand falls into the lowest tier of expense (well maybe not lowest but low nontheless )
One would think then that the Transparent would be far superior to the BJs. Not really! Yes the highs were a little cleaner, mids a little tighter and lows a tad more pronounced but not by as much as one would expect. Soundstage was somewhat more open and airy and depth was somewhat more defined with the higher priced cable but again less than one would expect. 

Now for my personal opinion regarding the cable debate: expensive cable looms are slightly better than reasonable priced looms, if a dollar equals a penny to you then by all means opt for the higher priced loom, if a penny equals a penny don't be ashamed for opting for the best you can do. The differences are so minute that it's not worth going into debt over. BOTH looms sounded superb on my test system and I would be happy with either loom.

Now let the debate begin, just know I'm a fence sitter and not in one camp or the other
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greg22lz
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@whitestix 
so you are saying you never hear any difference of any cable, fuse, capacitor, wire, or any other kind of upgrade ? Not immediately and not over time? Then you should probably own a pioneer sx 950 and a pair of pioneer speakers from the 70's because all components are essentially the same and the rest is smoke and mirrors?
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hifiman5
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@whitestix   I don't think jafant was talking about the wire burning in.  That would be silly!  What's burning in, or more appropriately "forming" to the wire inside of it, is the dielectric; be it teflon or polyethylene or whatever...
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jafant
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whitestix,
at first, I did not think it possible either. I was proved wrong through many listening sessions, as well as, attending many meet-and-greets over the years between the dealer/retailers and Transparent reps. I can only speak to the MM2 series. I have not auditioned the newer GEN5 offerings.
Wires, dielectric, insulators, something magical was going down.
Happy Listening!
jp90
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Every set of cables I've bought from an audio company I've been told was cryogenically treated or burned in. I just thought OK it couldn't hurt, but I haven't notice any change in sound as I have used them.

I can say different insulation and tension of winding makes a difference in the sound in guitar pickups. Poly coated wire is probably the most transparent and clear, as apposed to plain enamel which has a more mid rangy sound and slightly rolled off on top.
I just use 16 AWG pure poly coated copper with low impurities for my speaker wires.

JP:)

whitestix
386 posts
 
Greg,
You miss my point, but  do live vintage gear so thanks for the suggestions.  I have heard lots of SQ differences with speakers, components and tubes, and to a lesser extent, with IC's, power cords, and speaker wire.  That is why I recently upgraded to a Pass Labs amp.  My point was that a 300-500 hour of break-in for wire is absurd.   I often hear folks espouse these run-in beneficial claims, but I never hear about anyone that says after X number of hours that the "components", particularly wire, sounds worst than it did in the beginning.  Statistically, it is an even chance that that the is the outcome.  I still say that the most of the "love" for a set of wires after 500 hours  of burn-in is merely confirmation bias.  
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