Soundstage and explosive dynamics?


I’m looking high and low for speakers with the following attributes:

1. Wide and deep soundstage. Speakers can disappear from the soundstage.
2. Decent imaging.
3. Explosive dynamics with force and surprise.
4. Costs less than $10k.

madavid0
Geoff, thanks for the link, very interesting. The Tool disc I have is on the low end of the medium scale, and is audible. Clearly many of their albums are better, and I will check out some of them. It also shows that the upper range dynamics of the DT album is better. What is really interesting is how differently the same album can rank, depending on the release.
@analogluvr 
I get it. It's your cult and a lot of people are members of various audio cults, myself included. I'll keep listening to horns and if I find one with a 3 sq/ft footprint that doesn't sound honky as all hell, maybe my mind will change. 

@csmgolf 
You're just some punk looking for a fight who'll say anything it takes to get one or perpetuate one. I don't like you. I'm sure I'm not the only one. 

@geoffkait 
Thank you for posting that link. I do appreciate it. 


Kosst.  Actually it's not my cult,  my speakers are not all out horn's. Only the tweeter is a horn, the mid and bass are regular dynamic cones.  
 But I have owned quite a few speakers many mid efficiency like Vander Steen, reference 3A, Dynaco, Tannoy's, Polk SDA's
 Ive owned low efficiency panels such as the Apogee divas with high-powered solid-state 
 And  I have owned hybrid horns but where the horn covers most of the frequency spectrum down to about 200 Hz. 
 Trouble is I had to blend a woofer and a sub to those and felt like I couldn't get it 100% so I am moving away from them.    I just can't stand to listen to you postulate about something you obviously know absolutely nothing about. My pet peeve is going on these forums and seeing all this misinformation by people who speak with total authority. 
 Just admit you're wrong and that you've had a very little or perhaps no experience with horns. 
I'd admit I'm wrong if I'd never heard horns in my life. I'd be quite open to your ideas, in fact. But I have heard horns. I know what they are, what they do, how they work, and why they sound like they do. I don't like them. Plenty of other people don't either. Implementing a horn requires a variety of design compromises on ideal goals just like anything else audio. All a horn is is a transformer, pure and simple. There is no such thing as a completely 100% transparent transformer. Just like with OTL tube and DC coupled SS amps, a lot of people prefer not to have them there because of how they sound. On the other hand, a lot of people absolutely LOVE the sounds of particular transformers in their amps. Likewise, some LOVE their transducers to be coupled to the air with big transformers, with some even being big fans of certain varieties of horns. 
My theory on why hybrid speakers struggle to mesh is because the horns make small dynamic drivers sound like massive, and unnatural, radiating surfaces. There are benefits and liabilities to this approach. Some think it's a great idea because of the virtues. Others find the virtues of something simulating a point-source more appealing. It's all compromise. I personally don't think horns are ideal in near to mid field listening because the entire point of a horn is to transform the impedance of the driver by controlling the dispersion. That makes for an efficient and linear speaker that's especially well suited to very accurate low power amps, typically with torpid damping. At the same time, simple dynamic drivers powered by more muscular hardware exhibiting more robust damping can come pretty close to what a horn does without the cost of focused dispersion. The polar opposite of horns is open baffle design and there's plenty of people who swear by those. So horns are dandy if you like them. I don't. My opinion might be very different if my listening room was 1000 sq/ft but it's not. I think most of us are like me dealing with something in the ballpark of 15x20. I think that space precludes a full horn set up and the best way to avoid the incoherency of a hybrid is not to use horns at all. It's just one guy's opinion. Please deal with it. 
This has been a fascinating thread to read, and I have to give thanks to Kosst for his/her insistence and multiples of repetition which has allowed for an exceptional discussion with educational and informative (at least for me) posts by many who obviously know and understand horn speakers so well. So Thank You K for being so minded on the subject...it has allowed for a very open discussion, in response.

I did a lengthy in-home demo of the Volti Audio Rivals, a speaker that has been recommended to the OP. This was my first time living with a horn-hybrid speaker. The 15 inch paper cone woofer operates below 400HZ (I believe, but I’m not 100% on this). It is an excellent speaker and offers the OP a check on all four of his attributes.

My 2ch audio room is very ’normal in size (read not large).

The Volti’s had very good imaging, and actually imaged slightly better than my current speakers.They also disappeared in the room and were not ’honky’ or ’shouty.’ Size-wise they also felt normal in my room. They are also very flexible with respect to room placement and with easy tuning via the external crossover network by resistors and the capacitor. The internals are easily accessible and very well laid out.

Early in the thread there was a mention of the Tekton Design Double Impacts as a recommendation. These are my current speakers (with the basic upgrade). I can also recommend these for all four attributes as well.

I enjoyed the Rivals so much that I am open to one of Greg Roberts’ full horn designs, which require some time as I need to save up for it.

Both the Rivals and the Double Impacts are great speakers, but are different.

Again a massive word of thanks to so many who have posted such valuable information and for your experience and wisdom on the topic.