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Snake oil, fraud, confirmation bias

It is becoming increasingly apparent that many threads about legitimate topics devolve into one or more of the contributors here making claims of snake oil, fraud, or confirmation bias thereby derailing the conversation beyond the valid and relevant thread topic and this is getting ridiculous. For anyone here who honestly holds the position that there is snake oil and fraud in the world of Music Reproduction Systems I challenge them to prove their claims in court it should be an easy task based on the claims they make here in Audiogon  AND they will make a fortune because in the US once proven they can file a class action suit and profit enormously from the efforts of others to deceive. These people regularly claim that "there is no evidence" that things such as cables or fuses make a difference when in actual fact Audiogon is filled with evidence that these things make very real differences in Music Reproduction Systems of course those who claim fraud reject that evidence as "confirmation bias" but in absence of any documentation from them they are only repeating the claim they have made so many times that has been refuted many times here by those who have demonstrated to there satisfaction that they make a difference.   I think in actual truth the real fraudsters here are those that repeatedly make these claims of snake oil and fraud and often they have no experience to back up there claims they simply say the claims are impossible!
clearthink
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oharchie
29 posts
 
/\ Exactly @jl35 

Not to sound elitist but I sometimes wonder if people are running systems that just aren't detailed or dynamic enough to hear changes in certain products like AC cords or upscale interconnects. The system I had 5 years ago probably would not have been good enough.

I had a friend who works at a shop come over with a healthy bag of interconnects and we traded out cables on my turntable for an hour and a half. I had no preference on a particular brand and I wasn't even sure I needed a new one. But what I heard was pretty outrageous.

Same with AC cables. I bought some thinking I would definitely return them and wound up buying the next tier product.

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kosst_amojan
2,095 posts
 
I don't think it takes a crazy expensive rig to hear differences in cables. They're very minor though regardless of the system. I just don't like the liars who tell some nube they hear the direction of their fuse. No, you don't. We'd all laugh at the guy who burns sage to ward off the demons that curse his amp, but it's not ok to laugh at the guy who's placing the same faith in similar hocus pocus like fuses or blue dots or rocks that work for the same reason; it plays on a fertile imagination. 
People making bold statements of fact like these clowns do is the reason we invented science and measurements. 
randy-11
1,913 posts
 
WHAT?  The sage only works if it is organic ;]
grey9hound
599 posts
 
@oharchie 
+100
I agree with your statement 100%.
The reason is, that i used to be one of those who could hear little to no difference , BUT then one day i bought an amp that was extremely revealing. After that i could hear big differences in all types of cables , whether it was power cords or Interconnects.etc.
I think your statement is OH SO TRUE !!!
The problem is that  most of the Naysayers do not have revealing enough equipment to hear differences,BUT  they have no idea that, that is the problem ! .I  would be willing to bet money on it , because , i promise there is differences that can be heard !!
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