Snake oil, fraud, confirmation bias


It is becoming increasingly apparent that many threads about legitimate topics devolve into one or more of the contributors here making claims of snake oil, fraud, or confirmation bias thereby derailing the conversation beyond the valid and relevant thread topic and this is getting ridiculous. For anyone here who honestly holds the position that there is snake oil and fraud in the world of Music Reproduction Systems I challenge them to prove their claims in court it should be an easy task based on the claims they make here in Audiogon  AND they will make a fortune because in the US once proven they can file a class action suit and profit enormously from the efforts of others to deceive. These people regularly claim that "there is no evidence" that things such as cables or fuses make a difference when in actual fact Audiogon is filled with evidence that these things make very real differences in Music Reproduction Systems of course those who claim fraud reject that evidence as "confirmation bias" but in absence of any documentation from them they are only repeating the claim they have made so many times that has been refuted many times here by those who have demonstrated to there satisfaction that they make a difference.   I think in actual truth the real fraudsters here are those that repeatedly make these claims of snake oil and fraud and often they have no experience to back up there claims they simply say the claims are impossible!
clearthink
There’s no such thing as an audio emergency, and there is no such thing as offering a piece of audio equipment with intent to do audio harm that is litigatable. Can the color of a car do harm? Can cotton vs. wool vs. synthetic T-shirts do intentional harm? Can this be quantified?

Some people like hard over eggs, I happen to like over easy with toast. Is one more harmful than the other by definition? Can we qualify or quantify with measuring equipment the flavor or textural experience of eggs cooked one way vs. another? Is scambling them a culinary abomination worth suing over?
@jea48
I don’t think many here debate whether cables make some small difference. But fuses? Burning in cables? Burning in power outlets? Direction fuses and wires? That just is just bunk BS with zero basis in reality and purely the ego of the listener jacking off the mind. The people who buy into that nonsense are invariably clueless on technical matters. They view their equipment as pieces of mythical alchemy imbued with powers that transcending the laws of physics, and don’t tell me these people don’t because I’ve read their ramblings on here. Those around here with any kind of technical understanding know these people are crazy. We know the preeminent designers of the day pay no respect to the kinds of fantasies they entertain. It’s no surprise that they’ve adopted a vocabulary to disparage critics if their fantasies. Every religion needs a name for their adversaries. Infidel. Gentile. Heretic. Their's is "naysayer". They believe cables break in like others believe the world is flat. Reality doesn’t concern them because they don’t live in it. Foggythink has proven himself a stunning example of how truth and facts don’t impinge their opinions.
@jea48 

I like what AA does and feel it is time for Agon to do the same thing. The few that don’t want to add value to our cable discussions, but just angrily take cable threads off coarse should not be allowed to post on this subject. It is always the same few and often with unfortunate name calling and cyber wise cracks.  It is predictable, boring, and often greatly harms the usefulness and civility of the thread. It is unfortunate that this extreme step is needed, but the actions of a few is driving long time posters away from this site and turning off many potential new active members. The reality is this is in fact happening. Audiogon can no longer ignore this reality. 


How about a 12 Angry Men forum.

"But you said we could forget about all the other stuff."

" It’s always difficult to keep personal prejudice out of a thing like this. And wherever you run into it, prejudice always obscures the truth."

"You're not goin' to intimidate me - I'm *entitled* to my opinion!"

"You can’t prove it!"