Why are the vocals on some records hidden behind the music on my system?

@scooby2do - Since your CD’s sound fine and some albums sound fine it would appear everything is in in phase.

How old is the cartridge?
--- could just be old age - the suspension of the stylus may be shot

Is the Anti skating set correctly?

Is the stylus worn
--- if it;s worn it could effect phase

Is the stylus/cartridge correctly aligned on the arm?
--- The more advanced stylus types (Contact Line and Shibata) requires a more precise alignment and can cause this issue

I have Optimized Contour Contact Line stylus and it required a Mint Best Protractor to get the best sound

How old is the phono stage?
--- (could be the internal electrolytic caps need replacing is the phono stage is old)

It only takes a small difference in phase between the L/R channels to cause the issues you are descibing.

I do not think the motor would not cause this issue

I’d start with checking Stylus alignment

Then I’d try switching a few IC’s between components in the analogue side of your system to see if they make a difference

As far as room treatments go ...
- the most effective I have tried is a vinyl roller blind behind the listening position. I only had it extended about 15" from the ceiling
- A piece of foam on top of book cases

It seems that the most reverberation issues in my old room occurred close to ceiling level.
The new room has very little (if any) reflected sound issues

Hope you get to the bottom of it

Regards - Steve

Do you know the phono gain via your MM inputs? It is (remotely) possible that the gain is marginal for a 2.2mV cartridge output, I suppose.  But it would help to have some more details regarding your phono stage; does it have separate MM and MC inputs, as Czarivey suggests?

Other than that, I think you may have no problem; in my experience some cartridges do tend to submerge the vocalist in favor of the instrumentalists, compared to others.  This can actually be a virtue of the cartridge, in the case where you are not listening to a single, stage-center vocal LP.  For example, I found that my Stanton 980LZS tended to paint that sort of picture.  But the Stanton excels at bringing forth internal musical threads within a group of instruments.  It's certainly not broken.  The test for this explanation, of course, is to try another cartridge.

Nothing that you wrote suggests to me that the two channels are necessarily out of phase with each other, but be sure of that, too.  Nothing at all suggests a problem with turntable speed stability; I don't know where that came from.

The cart. is new with only 100-150 hours on it and I used a Pro-ject cart. alignment tool and spent several hours aligning it and getting the azimuth set and used a digital stylus force gauge to set it at 1.3 grams. I just finished playing Fleetwood Mac's Heroes are Hard to Find and there it was , yet earlier this morning I played Billy Joels I am an Innocent Man and it almost sounded 3d with the finger snap 3 ft in front of his voice? I'm not 100% sure what the gain is on the McIntosh C-100 is but it is about 10 yrs old and the 1st owner just used the MC input.

scooby2do

The cart. is new with only 100-150 hours on it and I used a Pro-ject cart. alignment tool

I suspect the alignment is off, and suggest you use a gauge which aligns the actual stylus and cantilever using a mirror, such as the WallyTractor.