Minimum recommended amplification requirements and amplifier matching


If a speaker has a "recommended amplification requirement" between 80W-200W with a 90dB sensitivity what are the actual minimum amplification requirement? In particular, the Line Magnetic 211ia is rated at 15W triode and 32W ultralinear. Can smaller tube amplifiers provide enough wattage to drive speakers that require more than twice the recommended output?
ddemilto3
I tried a Line Magnetic with an older Gallo speaker 4 ohm 90 dB sensitivity.  It did not work well at all.  I concur with the other posts.  It’s the impedance not the sensitivity that matters.  Line Magnetic does not like low impedance speakers, but check with the distributor, Tone Imports.
I once drove a pair of monitor audio silvers with EKCO  integrated.  This is a very good tube amp indeed but with this pairing in triode the bass was very bloated.  Much better in UL mode.  I really wonder if the MA silvers aren't better off with SS gear. (Having said that I sold this to a gentleman who was very happy with this amp paired with guess what--Monitor Audio!)  Just be aware the pairing is critical.  It's often not the power that's the issue as much as the complexity of the load a given speaker presents to a tube amp--especially in triode or SE designs.  UL with a bit of negative feedback will be more predictable.
I like to run tube amps, and while 30 watts or so will make tunes on a speaker of 90 db, I think you will need more power. If it were my room, there would be no doubt. My speakers are 98 db and 16 ohms, and I really think 30 watts is about the minimum on them!

If you really want to work with tubes or even if you want your solid state to sound better, you're always better off not making the amp do something hard, like drive a difficult load. The amp will make less distortion!

To this end generally speaking, an 8 ohm speaker will sound better that 4 ohms and a 16 ohm speaker better than that, all other things being equal. This is simply because no matter the amp, it will make less distortion into higher impedances, and that is audible because the amp will sound smoother and more detailed.

So the takeaway here is if you like the tube amp- get a speaker that is more efficient/easier to drive.
To this end generally speaking, an 8 ohm speaker will sound better that 4 ohms and a 16 ohm speaker better than that, all other things being equal. This is simply because no matter the amp, it will make less distortion into higher impedances, and that is audible because the amp will sound smoother and more detailed.

Hello @atmasphere

Please excuse me for asking, and I believe you already know my question comes with the utmost respect for your subject matter knowledge, but given your statement quoted above, aren’t you contradicting what you’ve stated in at least one other thread here on the forum?

It was/is my understanding that you’ve stated (paraphrasing) that *all* amplifiers have a "zone" within which they must operate to achieve lowest distortion. In other words, it was/is my understanding that what you’ve stated elsewhere is that if an amps volume is *to low*, that also creates unwanted and excessive (relative to its least possible) distortion. If that is true, then it seems conceivable that a 16 ohm load could cause an amplifiers volume control to be *to low* and create more distortion than it otherwise would if operated into a lower impedance.

Thank you.
In other words, it was/is my understanding that what you’ve stated elsewhere is that if an amps volume is *to low*, that also creates unwanted and excessive (relative to its least possible) distortion. If that is true, then it seems conceivable that a 16 ohm load could cause an amplifiers volume control to be *to low* and create more distortion than it otherwise would if operated into a lower impedance.
The volume (power) level and the impedance of the speaker are different.

For a given impedance regardless of the power, if the impedance is raised the distortion will be lower.

So ideally the speaker would be of the efficiency and impedance that you can take advantage of both.