Would you change your amp selection knowing...?


OK - so this thread was promted by some comments on another thread - not wanting to hijack that thread I created this one...

ISSUE: some high current designed amps have an issue with speaker cables that have a high capacitance.
- the amp can be driven to self destruction because of internal oscilation caused by the high capacitance of the speaker cable
- this does NOT apply to Tube amps - i.e. to my knowledge

The amps I know of that are affected in this way are Ayre, Gryphon and NAIM
- only NAIM warns of this up front AND instruct their dealers to let customers know about it

So why don’t other brands warn about the possibility?

QUESTION:
- would it put you off?
- would you select a different amp if the manufacturer warned of this "issue" up front?

Cheers



williewonka
Oscillation can self destroy the amp and might damage tweeters. 

I assume that amplifier can safely drive all typical cables and speakers unless manufacturer specifies limitations - like maximum load capacitance.

Since preventing oscillation usually reduces bandwidth of the amp, either thru Zobel network, shallower negative feedback, limiting bandwidth at the input or frequency compensation, then amp that oscillates was likely designed with shortcuts to improve specifications (or poorly designed).
@almarg - you bring up anothre very interesting point...

In less extreme cases, though, there may be subtle but significant adverse effects on sonics, including things like overshoot, ringing, or low level ultra-sonic or RF oscillations that are not directly perceivable as such
So another question one could ask - are members aware their amp could be suffering a less severe effect that may be degrading audio quality due to the speaker cables they have selected?

We hear so many times people finding a particular speaker cable sounds nicer with their amp - was the old cable causing issues within the amp?

@newbee ...
How come cable manufacturers don’t warn potential customers?
Well - for starters ...
- it does not apply to Tube amps (as far as I know)
- it does not happen with every solid dstate amp - high current only
- the length of speaker cable increases capacitance.
- it might even depend on the added capacitance of the speakers.

So from a cable perspective it’s not an exact science

However - i do think the amp manufacturer should make customers aware - just like NAIM does.

After spending 40 years as an audio enthusiast there still are so many variables that the customer is expected to consider - thank goodness for Audiogon :-)

Because the NAIM dealer told me up front - it made no difference to my amp selection - but if the amp had self destructed - I might be taking a different view on this question.
I would not willingly buy an amplifier which could have such a failure.
Nor would I knowingly buy such speaker cables.

If I already owned such an amplifier, I would certainly expect the manufacturer to make it perfectly clear that the amp cannot be used with certain cable designs.
And i think an amplifier manufacturer, knowing such cables are being sold, IS the party responsible for failure to warn the consumer. The manufacturer acting like they do not have any responsibility is a legal cesspool.

On the other hand the cable makers also bear a great deal of responsibility to warn buyer of the pitfalls with certain amplifiers.
I would change my amp selection to favor a designer that actually knows what they're doing.  If they are clueless enough to design an amp that would go into oscillation under a cap load, then they aren't worth owning, don't qualify in the marketplace. 
@kiganki    
"then amp that oscillates was likely designed with shortcuts to improve specifications (or poorly designed).".  It is obvious you know nothing about Odyssey amps.  They are more honest than most audio manufacturers.  Visit them at one of the audio shows and you will be singing an entirely different tune.