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I noticed  that lately or maybe for the last five yrs, there is so much arguments,name calling, attacking cables , speakers , components makers and more, more of disagreement with members, even Audio dealers are being attack here...Very few know how to apologize when they are wrong.What can we do as Audiogon members to improve our communication to each other? How to give the informations, recommendation to members who need it? This is without involving Audiogon, any opinion or ideas ,  For me this is fun and place to learn in audio...thank you all
jayctoy
jon_5912, Here’s what you said in your first post, just for the record, no pun intended,

“We cannot measure soundstage height. We also do not know what the soundstage height is on the recording so there is no way to determine what the correct height is. That means we also don’t know whether one component is more or less accurate when it sounds different in this area.

After doing a ton of reading and listening over about 20 years I’ve decided that these types of differences are most likely distortions that will improve perceived performance in one area and degrade it in another.”

>>>>I was attacking your statement that “we don’t know what the correct height of the soundstage is.” We obviously DO know in many or most cases since we DO know WHERE the recordings were made. Frankly, I’m becoming less and less interested in your “findings” over the last 20 years. If success was based on how much reading we did we’d all be geniuses.

jon_5912 also opined,

“When delusional reviewers and charlatans talk about a particular component having a lot of soundstage height, depth, etc. they don’t typically relate it to how big the recording space actually was, how the recording was made. When components are compared and one is said to have greater soundstage depth and no mention is made of what the depth of the actual soundstage was, there’s no reason to think the component with the greater depth is the more accurate one.”

>>>>>Whatever.

Note to self: What’s this, old stalkers’ week?
Frankly, I’m becoming less and less interested in your “findings”
You're a complete charlatan, of course you don't care about my opinion, good lord.  

How many people do you think really know or care about the height of the recording space?  You can tell if it's a full orchestra and the recording was done in a large space because of the echo.  You can tell if it's a live stadium recording.  If it's a studio recording you get what the engineer wants you to hear and the sound of the space is typically not very prominent.  If it's a live recording in a club or something you can probably tell it's a smaller space.  

Beyond that it's of little interest.  How many people on earth have carefully compared the differences between various heights and can tell if a component is accurate?  Can you reliably tell the difference between a recording made with 20' ceilings and one made with 30' ceilings?  Can you tell a flat ceiling from a curved one?  GMAB.
Look away, people, look away! This oft happens when a stalker drinks too much coffee. ☕️
Lol! This thread has devolved exactly into what the OP was lamenting about.