The Method of Tuning

Hi AGon

It's cool being here, you guys have been great! I want to and am going to continue my posting if that's ok with you. I've been enjoying it very much.

I know with a subject like Tuning when you get into it you realize how big of a picture it is. It's a completely different listening paradigm than the Plug & Play world you have been use to.

This last week I have been flooded with your emails, so I'm trying to figure out a way to respond and as well get you started, and also help you start or finish your projects. I have a recommendation. If you are starting your tuning quest think about starting your own thread on TuneLand and we can meet there more system specifically. If that doesn't work for you I will do my best to give as much of the answers I can here.

Also, for you doing your room projects, I'm excited that you have contacted me and I'm thrilled to be part of your room design.

Hi Amg

Thanks for visiting TuneLand. Back in 2004 I had to face the fact that I was not going to able to be everywhere and answer every question as they came up so I started TuneLand the forum as a place where I could build the basics of tuning and do the Q&As and also give a place for folks to have their own tuning threads. The first forum (now archive) grew to over a few hundred thousand members so fast that I was overwhelmed. There were several great friends who helped keep up with the flow, but after time it was too much. I had to seriously rethink how to help folks. I started the newer forum and things settled down to a more manageable pace, sometimes lol. Now I do a lot of short stuff on Facebook, while I and web guy build both the forum and website to accommodate.

Here's another older step by step

http://tuneland.forumotion.com/t13-tuning-step-by-step

In this one you can see some of our actual testing setups. I need to put a disclosure here. These pictures are based on our testing and not for the public to try at home. Always consult and use a certified electrician when making electrical changes to your audio system.

There are many of these articles and threads on TuneLand. As Harry Pearson said to me "I never get finished". He would start a concept or writing thought but by the time it needed to be published he was out of gas on that review and always wanted to come back and finish but rarely did. That's how TuneLand seems to me sometimes "it's all there" just putting it all in one place is massive job, because there are endless variables when you consider that everyone is wearing a different and unique set of ears. However if you look on TuneLand at the basics it's all very simple. Someone can get a simple tuning system and be done with all the super tweaked out stuff.

I'm now working on the Rev Combo step by step, which is where most folks buy in at. It's a very powerful yet affordable way to do a high rez tunable system that covers outlet to ears.

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net

Hi Grannyring

Room correction has come a long way over the past 20 or so years. All of the past attempts have added a little more to the solution. Lyngdorf and some of the now next generation products are going to become the norm and very quickly. It's literally a new generation of listening. As I have done the steps physically technology has also been taking the steps for you to be in control. Some folks are going to go the physical route for the sake of purity. There are simply some tones and structures to the music that you can't really do without the real materials and designs to do it with. But, think of all the guys out there that have bought into HEA and have never had the chance to get the most out of it. Seriously almost every one has gone through this, and sadly defended "not the best of sound" forever.

I say this and truly believe it "we are experiencing the new audiophile revolution in real time".

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net

Now, if I can address this statement...

"Your solutions, as viewed online, unfortunately use these additional devices which are “banned” for some of us 😁"

HEA is heading quickly into this new chapter. I believe there is no way, or should we want to, stop it. What this also does though is change the landscape of component and speaker design. For many years HEA has been designing products on a "Fix it" basis. With the new paradigm some of the old theories and maybe even myths get to fly out the window, that's the part I'm mostly interested in. Follow me on this.

On a moving planet, subject to the four fundamental forces of physics, there really are no such things as "inert", "isolation", "discrete" and others in the truest sense. These are terms that HEA designers have thrown at you for quick fix compulsive sales. If you setup a test lab right now with me we would discover, and fast, that "everything affects everything else". Your not going to isolate your component from this planet, because your on this planet. You can dampen your signal or you can tune your signal, but your not going to isolate your signal. In the truest sense of the word, if you would build something that was "inert", that would mean that the only thing that it could rest against would be something else that was "inert". A set of real inert speakers for example would crash through your floor and probably end up somewhere under the surface of the Earth's crust. Now the next one is a real doozy. "Discrete", I hardly have the words to describe how this term has misguided the HEA. Discrete should never had been made into an audio term. I understand the need for terms and my terms sometimes get tortured by others. Like the word "code" , but, audio does not work off of the principles of discrete nor can they because as soon as an audio language (analog or digital) starts interacting with a mechanical conduit it turns to signal, and signal takes on the character of the fundamental forces. In audio there is no discrete.

let me give you an example on this one

Someone the other day said something like he would never use an Equalizer and thankfully I didn't need to respond because one of you answered him back saying "what do you think a crossover is". Our audio chain is made up of parts. Once these parts are energized they interact with the language to become signal (I call it code and will get into why). When that happens everything in the audio pathway becomes an equalizing influence.

What I hope to do is reach a common ground between all of us. There's really no reason for debating over things that don't even matter. What does matter is letting a more realistic side of the hobby to shine through and be used. As the "Tunees" have found, and you will too, it's time for a practical empirically science based hobby to replace all the parts and pieces that got us here. This hobby, more than most, has a tendency to over engineer itself, leading to a world of fixing the fixes. There's no need for this. Physics is only difficult if you make it so.

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net

Thank you guys for letting me do this thread at my own pace, speed and way. Sometimes in this hobby of forumizing the temptation to jump in and be a part doesn’t always go as planned. There’s a sidetrack waiting around every corner and opinions and ideas generated by others that are just going to bust out of the chest like an episode of alien. I just want you to know "it’s all good". I’ve been doing this since 1981 everyday so believe me, I’m in no hurry. As you have ideas, comments or been there done that moments, it’s all part of mingling. If I had more than one brain I wouldn’t know where to put it, so having your brains on this thread is welcome.

So this next part gets a little tougher, but it has had to happen sooner or latter.

HEA is cool, it looks cool, it sounds cool and it’s in a way like a status trophy (for guys mostly). It’s just plain cool! But what happens when the paradigm shift takes place and it becomes all about the soundstage? For example, what if someone told you, you had to place your equipment in the closet so that you could hear the soundstage better? Some of you are freaking out right now, I can see you lol. Your running to your key board to tell me where to go lol. Well, what if you walked into your room and all you saw was the soundstage. You and your wife sitting there enjoying the concert, either looking at a screen/wall to go along with the stage or just the soundstage by itself? I need to tell you that day happened a while ago, but it’s being refined to the place where the connection between audiophile and videophile has met. In fact in a short time from now you will be able to take in your concert by means of hologram, yep right in your living room.

But lets back up to now. What if you were asks another question, what if you were told you would get a better sound and able to play more of your music collection by mounting speakers on the wall? Do you know that most of you who have floorstanding speakers in a room with furniture are loosing at least half of your soundstage and music content? I get emails every week saying "what can I do" from folks who are trying to make a dedicated room speaker work in a living room environment. So that’s two simple things right off the bat, do you have the right room and do you have the right room setup. Why spend years trying to do something that wasn’t meant to be, simply because something got a great review at someone else’s place? One thing we need to rethink is we are not going to force physics.

OK I realize I’m jumping around a little but it’s important to paint these pictures.

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net