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@audiotroy It’s like talking to a wall. Somebody else wanna help me here? This has nothing to do with my "opinion" of you or anything else here. It has everything to do with documented facts and your unethical behavior on this site. I apologize to the OP that this discussion has taken this turn, but there is a serious violation by a retailer going on here that cannot be left unaddressed. It’s apparent to me now that @audiotroy is so arrogant and enamored of his own products that he actually doesn’t see how what he’s doing is wrong, or he’s so hell-bent on selling his products here that he doesn’t care. Either way, it’s bad.

"One of the reasons why we post is the complete lack of understanding that many of the forum writters seem to lack."

This is the essence of the arrogance. You know better and other opinions are wrong and need to be corrected by asserting that the product YOU SELL is better. Case in point...

"Do you want to know of an Aria compettitor that sounds just like an Aria yet costs $600.00 less? It is called a Unison Reserach Primo an 80 watt tube solid state hybrid amp from Italy any of you guys like to do a shootout in our shop with an Aria. By the way, never said the Aria wasn’t good we haven’t heard one, just the last series which was nincely made but didn’t wow us."

That you would say this after the discussion to this point shows you just don’t get it. And again in my case earlier...

"The Acoustic Zen are okay speakers and were never worth their original price point we heard them on numerous shows. Also they are not 96db efficient so they are not going to play as loudly as easily to fill up a large room as the Legacy’s."

When you write that immediately following my recommendation for the AZs you are disparaging another member’s recommendation and a competitor’s product in favor one THAT YOU SELL. It matters not one bit that you think you’re right or that you may be helping the OP make a better decision. As a retailer promoting your products here you inherently give up the right to criticize other products as several other reputable retailers here duly respect.

Ok, I’m done here. I can’t make it any more clear except to say, @audiotroy if you continue to behave this way and speak negatively of other products and recommendations in favor of your own products you will incite the ire of many more members here and irreparably damage what’s left of your reputation here. Peace out.

@soix  Hard to believe how tone deaf people can be.  How does @audiotroy not see the terrible impression they are making for themselves by their condescending, negative comments about owner's appreciation for gear they don't happen to sell?  My son is graduating with a Public Relations degree this coming Saturday.  I can only imagine how difficult it would be for him or anyone else with the requisite PR understanding to rehabilitate the despoiled image of @audiotroy .  Who shops there?  🤔😧

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"Soix, way too many people have over inflated opinions of products that are mearly okay, that they for whatever reason they personally love."

Wow, just wow. And that's just one of the misguided attempts to "justify" his postings.  @audiotroy, I appreciate your attempt to save me from myself, but you may just want to sit the rest of this one out.

Sorry boys, don’t see it. Soix facts is facts.

A product is either growing in the market or shrinking. Many people view a consensus on a product’s performance as one way to validate or weed out what they are going to purchase or look at.

Sure it is easy to say go look at x y or z that doesn’t mean the product is good or practical or will work for the poster.

Never said the AZ speakers or products were bad, and WE WERE DEALERS! So we had actual experience with their products and how they compared, we also heard the AZ speakers at a couple of shows as well for the Cresendos. In our opinion the Crecendos are decent speakers but I posed the question if you were currently in the market for a new set of speakers and at the $25k price point would you rush to find a AZ dealer or would you be looking for a Wilson, Magico, Rockport, KEF, Paradigm, Vandy?

You may think that we have an over in flated view of our products, the facts is that there are many respected dealers with the same products we have throughtout the country and most of our products are highly rated in the press, but if you managed to read what we said about press you would understand that point.

We were also accussed of bashing Belles, on the contrary we reported the facts that we did have the previous series of products and they were not remarkable, and that we did not hear the Aria.

We did point out that we have a very similar sounding highly rated tube integrated that may sound as good or better which sells for $600 less with a similar type of DNA, features and build quality. Again Soix that is not being arrogant look at what we actually said:

Do you want to know of an Aria compettitor that sounds just like an Aria yet costs $600.00 less? It is called a Unison Reserach Primo an 80 watt tube solid state hybrid amp from Italy any of you guys like to do a shootout in our shop with an Aria. By the way, never said the Aria wasn’t good we haven’t heard one, just the last series which was nincely made but didn’t wow us.

DID THAT SAY THAT THE UNISON SMOKES OR IS BETTER than the Aria, NO WE DIDN"T, we said sounds like an Aria, the Aria is known for a warm tube like presentation, guess what the Unison is a hybrid with tubes and it does indeed sound warm and tuby, and if we are not mistaken the Aria sells for $3k while the Unison is $2.4k and the Unison is 80 watts vs the Belles 75 watts, so these two pieces should be very competitive.

I hardly see the Belles boys ever talk about their experience’s vs other comparable products vs a Peachtree or a Unison or a shootout vs the Naim Atom. We did read the Aria review from the UK and it was a very good review.

As per the Othergreg, Wow, just wow. And that’s just one of the misguided attempts to "justify" his postings. @audiotroy, I appreciate your attempt to save me from myself, but you may just want to sit the rest of this one out.

No problem we sell some of the best a/v products on the market and have tested and sold more brands of a/v products than many, so we don’t have to worry about saving you from yourself.

As per the PR GUY the first rule of PR is no press is bad press. for all of you guys complaining of our bad behavior, for disparaging products we don’t sell, when if you actually read the post we never said either of the two products were bad, we get calls from people from all over the country that appreciate what a dealer with 30 plus years of experience and the fact that we sell many of the best products in one location means we know our products can bring to the table.

We assist way more people than you guys know, it is facinating how if you don’t agree

And lastly Soix,

It’s apparent to me now that @audiotroy is so arrogant and enamored of his own products that he actually doesn’t see how what he’s doing is wrong, or he’s so hell-bent on selling his products here that he doesn’t care. Either way, it’s bad.

Soix, It is not wrong to recommend a product that you are enamoured with especially when there are many other people who agree.

Arrogant would be saying tha the Legacy’s are better than everything else did you ever find us saying that? We laid out the facts why this speaker MAY be good for the OP but we also said that he has to like them.

We put it to you this way at least with Legacy the OP may be able to hear a pair how easy is it to hear the AZ?

and now to address your last point:

nd you think I’M the one missing the point here? SERIOUSLY??? You’re once again comparing speakers I recommended to the OP in a relatively negative light to the speakers you recommended here AND SELL!!! You should not be expressing negative opinions on other products and recommendations in any way while you’re promoting your own products here at the same time. PERIOD!!! It’s a pure conflict of interest that makes you look unethical and undermines your credibility here.

Please Soix grow up, all dealers and owners of products endorse what they sell or own, the fact that unless the OP flys over to our Store and listens to and then purchases a set of Legacy’s WE AREN"T SELLING ANYTHING!

Go back to what we wrote about why we endorse the Legacy’s and please let us know how many affordable speaker lines offer these attributes?

We know of Tekton, Golden Ear and that is pretty much it.

You also miss the other parts of this converation which is how easily can the OP hear the product? Will the company be in business 5 or 10 years from now and how easy will it be to move and service the product.

Dave and Troy
Audio Doctor NJ