Art Dudley Calls B.S. but without naming names - PLEASE DO!


Hey all,

As someone who hasn't been reading the audiophile press for all that long, I stumbled upon this article that I'm sure it lit up these airwaves when it was first published: https://www.stereophile.com/content/skin-deep

It's a great article and one that any knowledgeable person would most likely agree with, but hey, spending your own hard-earned (or inherited) money is a right and a privilege.  Art does call out some brands that he perceives to give great value:  AMVR, VPL, Conrad-Johnson, DeVore and Harbeth and Kimber and Peachtree and Quicksilver and Rega and Rogue and Spendor and Wavelength.  Shouldn't NAD be on this list?  

But what he doesn't do and I think is warranted, is name the companies that are most egregious in selling high-end products where the performance is far below the cost.  

I, for one, would love to see a list of those manufacturers from the people who read this forum.  You can group them by what they manufacture or just put them in order as you see fit.  I think it would be most helpful in calling b.s. but with "added-value", which is what this whole article was all about.  Right?

lgoler
The maxim of caveat emptor applies here. Anyone with half of an audiophile brain can determine value versus gauging. It’s "audiophools," those who have lots of money to burn and don’t really understand audio or the concept of value, who are the real suckers and buy the pet rocks of the hi-end. Products where cost far exceeds performance or value are fairly obvious based on the laws of price and diminishing returns. So, there’s really no need to identify the offending manufacturers because: (a) those of us experienced in audio already know who they are; (b) those with tons of money are likely to buy from them anyway, regardless of reality, due to a need to consume conspicuously; and (c) those who are inexperienced in audio and/or who have limited funds couldn’t afford or wouldn’t buy the products in any event.
@lgoler , let me commend you for your response to @mrdecibel  and now let me commend @mrdecibel  for his apology to you, for some reason that was setting up to be ugly and the both of you made it a positive, I tip my hat to you both.
I think that there's no reason for Art to do so. 

Your ears are the only things that matter. These are devices, not museum pieces. If you are trying to impress others, then all you need to know is the buying price and find some review which validates your spending. 

If you want to please yourself and family then the only thing you should be concerned with is your own ears. :)  Never pay for performance you can't hear or that doesn't please you. 

Best,


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@tooblue   Thanks.  Civility is way under-rated these days.  I'm a human being first and foremost and know my time is short, so trying to limit the bad vibes I put out there.  @mrdecibel I may have a second home, but I assure you, I'm not loose, careless or showy with how I spend my money, hence, I'm on here looking for deals and expert advice!  My dad was careless with his and it literally killed him.  But he turned me on to Sinatra, so I forgive him.  For those who say that posting brand names would be egregious (but then again, most luxury goods are anyway:).  I was looking to have a little fun.  Sorry if anyone thought it was in bad taste to ask folks to name names of manufacturers.  Furthermore, I'm not a regular poster here and should respect my place.   But I'll say this, I read about too many products that seem to have the potential to be outdated in a year, and they were expensive to begin with.  Upgradeability is key in this day and age, where advancements in all kinds of technology happen at a much faster rate with much bigger gains.  Peace.  
@lgoler It’s all good. I admit, very often when I post, my passion can get the best of me. Again, I do apologize. My dad also introduced me to Sinatra, Goodman, The Dorsey brothers, you name it. At 9 years old ( 1962 ) my dad gave me his Fisher 500C receiver, AR 2AX speakers, and Dual 1229 tt with Shure cartridge. I blame him for my madness, lol, may he RIP. *** The new and improved version of the AGs are 12K plus, almost triple the price as the originals. How do you feel about this ? Is this a value, reasonable, or over priced, in your opinion ? I have not heard the new ones, but the reviews I have read indicate to me they may be overpriced. @erik_squires Plus 1 - You and I are pretty diehard when it comes to " using our ears ". @tooblue Plus 1. Enjoy ! MrD.