A lot of this is system dependent....i.e., electrical values of the source upstream, amplifier downstream, and amp-speaker interface, as well as which cables are being used and how long they are. I agree there is a purity to the sound of a passive but there are more than a few of us who continue to believe something is missing when inserting a passive into our systems.Is impedance matching an issue? Passive volume controls do have to make a trade-off between input impedance and output impedance. If the input impedance is high, making the input to the volume control easy for the source to drive, then the output impedance is also high, possibly creating difficulty with the input impedance of the power amplifier. And vice versa: If your amplifier prefers low source impedance, then your signal source might have to look at low impedance in the volume control.
This suggests the possibility of using a high quality buffer in conjunction with a volume control. A buffer is still an active circuit using tubes or transistors, but it has no voltage gain – it only interposes itself to make a low impedance into a high impedance, or vice versa.
How much do I need to spend to get a preamp that sounds better than no preamp?
I'm using an Audible Illusions L1 preamp and I think my system sounds better when I remove it from the signal path. Oppo BD105 directly to SMC Audio DNA1 Gold power amp. I have read that there is level of quality you need to hit before there will be an improvement in sound. I can't seem to find what that level is. Any ideas?
Thanks in advance,
Ben
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From Nelson's B1 Buffer paper; |
A lot of this is system dependent....i.e., electrical values of the source upstream, amplifier downstream If we look at what the OP has there is no issue, 100ohm > 2v source and 100kohm 0.8v sensitivity poweramp. And once again this goes for 90% of matches, only high impedance tube sources can have a problem or very low input impedance amps. Cheers George |
@georgehifi I'm pretty sure you got taken to task on that jazz already. No matter how you cut the cake, a buffer is going to provide more ideal impedance matching. You seem to love banging on about Nelson Pass. Maybe you should go watch his BAF lectures where he demonstrates the differences between a 25 ohm source and a 600 ohm source. It's not an insignificant difference. And you're talking about putting upwords of a few thousand ohm on the amp's input. It makes a difference. That's why Nelson has never once produced a purely passive pre-amp. |
Your really just not worth the effort, you live in denial kosst, and question everything Nelson Pass tells you. I’ll post it up again just in case you missed it. Nelson Pass: And this as well from him just for good measure.
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Hello @georgehifi We've had a similar discussion about preamps: https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/bypassing-a-preamp-with-volume-pot-in-amp I knew I've seen that Nelson Pass quote before. I have had great success "bypassing" a preamp with a Khozmo stepped attenuator using Z-Foil TX2575 resistors inside an amp. I ditched the volume attenuator completely in my current setup and only control the volume from the computer. I prefer to lose a few 1s and 0s from the computer volume than to add a preamp that brings so much favorable and unfavorable distortion/coloration from tubes, resistors, capacitors, regulators, diodes, interconnects, power cords, etc. Who needs an preamp when you have a Pass XA25? (jk) This amp is amazing. |
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