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Talk but not walk?

Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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tjbhuler
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Hi jf47t ,

Wow must have been awesome experiencing what MG did and how he did it firsthand.  Wish I  was staying near to him and have the convinience to learn and work on my system with him around lol!

Even me staying thousands of miles away have had good success with my system via emails and from his forums but seeing him working up a system is definately the best expereice that one can ever get.  What you said about settling in is something that I have noticed and experience too. 

"Where he started and where he ended up at was more than any amp or speaker change I've ever
witnessed."

This is the exact thoughts and experience I had and have mentioned on this thread initially. A good sounding setup has to do more than just having good equipments. Money spent doesn't need to reach an exorbitant level. A simple setup with the ways of tuning can get you there and deliver amazing results. 

Michael has developed ways to get ones system up to another level. Its just how open and how far are you willing to listen and try it out. For me after a while getting the hang of it and practising makes it easier to understand what Michael is saying. 
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amg56
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I am sorry Michael. There are elements in life and hardware that logic either accepts with blind faith or it questions and asks why?

Why was Jesus able to walk on water? People accept the fact that he did, yet logically its impossible (unless the water was ice).

Would a person walk off a cliff because someone simply said "don't worry, you won't fall"? Logic and every shrieking intuition would say NO!

Your argument still fails the logic test. I am not going into my system to modify it because someone told me just do it, it will be great afterwards. I would need to know why the change happens, how does it happen and by how much can a person expect the change to be? Can't you see that the logic test has not been proven with your post. You may tell me 100 people snipped their ties, but WHY does this benefit happen, what is the science behind it? If you cannot explain this, you have no right telling people to do it.

Michael, until you are able to explain this, you remain in snake oil territory and you are still expecting blind acceptance of your preaching.

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michaelgreenaudio OP
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I love Jesus!

If Jesus was doing snake oil, count me in all day long and twice on Sunday.

Here’s maybe where you are having a problem amg. You think I’m arguing. My friend I’m simply "doing". Amg, you have a steak in front of you, how do you know it will taste good? You taste it. Are you going to measure it somehow to tell you how it is going to taste? Nope. Amg audio is something you do. No one can make you do it, we can only tell you if or if not we liked the steak. We can come over to your table and cut it up in bite sizes but making you enjoy it, that's up to you.

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net

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michaelgreenaudio OP
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Hi Grannyring, good to see you!

Michael

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amg56
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You may be doing, but not explaining Michael. Why do, if you are not told why it happens. Again you fob off the explanation.

I am not worried if you love Jesus or not, that is not the issue. The issue is science against your explanation of faith in your solution, and faith is losing.

I don't care if you are "doing" but you are not explaining.

Explain how or why this works. Why is it so hard to get a straight answer?

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