onkyo RZ...anybody?


Onkyo RZ series..anybody got one?
i think i want one.... maybe about 90-100 watts
the audio performance is supposed to be the real deal
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not to be believed

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I have been using an RZ-5100 pre/pro for over a year now, and I've been very satisfied with it's performance, overall. The hdmi bugs of past products are gone, and the features are very solid. I can not speak to the amps in the receivers, though, as I run separates.
The truth is that the new Onkyo surround receivers use cheaper materials these days like most brands in surround loudspeakers.

When you compare the weight of it to surround receivers in the past you see how much lighter they became these days.

We do business with a company who does repair of many famoud audio brands yoiu all know. He also does many brands in surround receivers. He sees and says that; the materials they use getitng cheaper each single year.

Many peole have the idea that it would be better when we go on in time. But....the truth shows different realities. At the end they count and they tell the real truth.
We tested the RZ products for Onkyo as well. We decided not to sell them based on the fact that we found the quality by far not acceptable. We saw to many other brands as well. We even did not find them acceptable too.

The weight of surround receivers nowadays is mostly due to how large of transformer they put in for the main power supply and what kind of heatsink they use for the amp boards. 

The heaviest I know, Denon AVR-X8500H, comes in at 51lbs because it has to pack in 15 separate amplifiers with somewhat thick heatsinks and a transformer large enough to supply.  Second would be something like NAD 777, which uses a centralized heatsink with very thick metal fins to support the amplifier boards.

I just recently opened up a Yamaha RX-V2070 receiver that I used in a friend's application.  It comes in at 37lbs, which is not light for today, but not in the heaviest area.  The amp board transistors are mounted to a good thick heatsink base, but the metal fins are very thin (I assume to save on weight).  While it may not be heavy, the heatsink does it's job and the receiver doesn't get very hot.  It is probably biased very low (maybe 1/2 watt in Class AB mode).

The components in the Yamaha were actually pretty good, using upper grade Nichicon electrolytic capacitors and all through-hole components on amp boards and analog boards (no SMD for audio).  I decided not to mod it at this time because it really wouldn't be worth the hassle to pull everything apart.

I don't know what's in the Onkyo and other receivers, but none of them sounded good to me - the receivers are usually bright and too "solid state" sounding.  Out of all receivers, I respect Yamaha, Marantz and NAD.  Both Marantz and NAD use good components and sound good, but their sound is too warm for my tastes.  The Yamaha was the most natural sounding receiver (in my opinion) and had the most resolution and attack.

We do professional calibration of screens with the most expensive Calman software in their range. And we use professional tools to measure it. 

In 2017 we did a LG Oled with a new Yamaha surround receiver. We were amzed by the fact that the image and results where inferior to all our other clients with the same LG Oled.

Your story does not underpin our experience. What I said earlier, all brands use cheaper parts. It is common in the time we live.