Daedalus Audio speakers - Muse or Muse studio


Does anyone have some opinions about these speakers? Please, do not flame me, but me and my significant other decided we wanted to change my Harbeths out for the Daedalus Audio Muse speakers. At least, thats the thinking, we are looking to get a more full range speaker for around ~10k USD. New or used. But he's zeroed in on the Muse as it suits his (mine too) aesthetic requirements and it does seem to be a more well rounded speaker, with a bigger cabinet that will certainly go lower (we still want to supplement with subs) and quite possibly a more cohesive midrange.
Any thoughts?
d2girls
Mr_m and Inna, thanks for the mention. And yes, about 90% of my listening is to classical music, with about 10% being rock and other genres.

@d2girls, I’ve owned my Daedalus Ulysses speakers for about 8 years, and I’ve been sufficiently happy with them that I have no plans to go to anything else in the foreseeable future. During most of that time I’ve driven them with a 300B-based 65 watt per channel VAC Renaissance 70/70 MkIII tube amplifier. As you saw me mention in the current thread about the Lab12 DAC I recently purchased the solid state Pass XA25 to use with them, which I’ve also been very happy with.

Daedalus speakers are known for their natural sound character. I’d characterize the sound of my Ulysses as being somewhat more rich sounding and full bodied than many other speakers, but at the same time being dynamic, fast, and detailed. And that is accomplished without any hint of excessive brightness, and perhaps even with a bit of rolloff in the treble. Overall, a very nicely balanced speaker for my taste. I have no experience with Harbeth speakers, but based on what I know of them I would expect that a Daedalus speaker would be somewhat less warm sounding, while being a bit "faster" and more dynamic.

The combination Lou’s speakers provide of relatively high efficiency, high power handling capability, and an unusually flat, benign impedance curve makes them suitable for use with just about any amplifier in existence other than the really flea-powered types. The Ulysses are rated at 97.5 db/1W/1m, 2.5 db more than the Muse, and both the VAC and Pass amps I have used with it have no trouble generating the 100 to 105 db peaks that occur at my 12 foot listening distance on a few of my symphonic recordings which have particularly wide dynamic range.

Also, the 95 db rating of the Muse is about 8 db more than the sensitivity Stereophile measured for your Harbeths. Which means that less than 1/4 as much power would be required by the Muse to generate the same volume that would be generated by your Harbeths.

Regarding deep bass extension, based on measurements I’ve performed as well as on listening I’ve found the 28 Hz rating of my Ulysses to be accurate. So I would expect the 35 Hz rating of the Muse to also be accurate.

Shadorne raises a valid concern about the lack of vertical alignment of the drivers in the Muse. If you want to consider that model further I’d suggest that you raise that specific question with Lou. I’m sure he would give you an honest answer. Also, in contrast to the Athena and my Ulysses it appears that the Muse has the front of all of its drivers mounted in the same vertical plane. I suspect that the slight recess of the mid and treble drivers in the Athena and the Ulysses, relative to the positioning of their woofers, provides at least a slight benefit in terms of time coherence.

Best of luck, however you decide to proceed.
-- Al

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d2girls,

For what it may be worth , I'll add to Almarg's amp association with Daedalus, I have the Argos V2's , model below the Ulysses, I drive them with either Modwright LS100 pre & KWA100SE power amp combo, Line Magnetic 518IA integrated (845 tube based SET, 22 wpc Class A), or Finale Audio 7189 (2) integrated (22 wpc push pull) . I will also agree with Al's assessment on the sound
Former Harbeth owner here (love them) and big time Daedalus fan (just sold my tricked out DA-1.1s and now have Apollos on order). Both speakers just sound "right" to me. I heard the Muse at CAF two years ago--great speaker. Your best guide on the difference between the Muse and Muse Studio (or any other models in your price range) is Lou--he will set you straight. If you are near DC or are planning to go to CAF, I understand that Mark Schneider has a pair of Muse Studios at LTA/Urban HiFi which you can hear for yourself. Daedalus speakers paired with LTA amplification is about as good as it gets. If you like Harbeth's you will undoubtedly like Daedalus. I looked for two years and listened to dozens of speakers before I replaced my Compact 7s with my first pair of Daedalus loudspeakers. I went with Daedalus because they had all the things I loved about the Harbeth's (tonally correct, midrange purity, and a slightly warm presentation) but were quicker, more dynamic, played louder without strain, and could be easily driven by a wider range of amps. Working with Lou is fabulous--great guy, honest, knowledgeable, a musician and music lover. He has really perfected his craft over time and is now at the top of his game. I hope this helps.

As Tacten suggests, Lou is a straight shooter and if he recommends Muse, that would be good enough for me.

My DA-RMAs have been with me for 8 years and I plan being buried in them, if my kids don't want them. Seriously, his speakers sound great, but so do Harbeth to be fair. It may be possible to hear the Muse, Lou has a number of owners around the US, happy to demo theirs.