Difference in sound using different carts when digitizing vinyl record?


Hello A'goners .......

I hope I am posting it in the right forum!

Here is my question - this is a hypothetical situation - if I digitize my vinyl record  while the record is played using any cart (cart #1) and then again play and digitize the same record using a different cart (cart #2), am I going to hear any sound difference typically attributed to two different carts? Everything else remain same in both cases i.e. the turntable, phono stage, DAC, preamp, amp, speakers, and all cables. The software to digitize is the same with identical setting. 

Did anyone of you do this or similar experiment? I am curious to know.

I bought a Sweetvinyl Sugarcube SC-1. I am wondering because of the conversion to A to D and then again D to A, it there a possibility that the sound differences from different carts are not so significant anymore?  Right now I do not have two carts, so can not do the experiment myself and report the results here. That is why I am asking the question and hoping to get some reasonable answers.  Please pardon my lack of technical knowledge.  

I would appreciate if we stay focused on the topic while discussing this. I do not want a debate of why I or anyone wants to convert analog to digital or one format is better sounding than the other.

Thanks and have a good day :)
 


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@orpheus10 the staircase effect is the result of trying to approximate the analog signal from the turntable into a fixed scale of values that is used when digitizing. That approximation, or quantization, while good enough for some, is still only an approximation that can never faithfully reproduce the infinite number of values that only analog can convey.

If I could use an analogy, consider two ways of drawing a half circle with the flat side facing down.  The first is with a compas, which is pretty much foolproof at making a nice, smooth, linear curve. But what if we had to represent that circle in terms of taking measurements vertically (quantize) in the Y axis, as we move along the X axis? Now, what if we had to map (sample) that curve only in finite increments along the X (time) axis? That sampling process gets only one measure for each whole number value along the X axis, (1,2,3,4,5...). Take those points and plot them as a bar chart. You might say that half circle all of a sudden looks pretty poor. You might say that half circle resembles a staircase as you proceed from 9 o’clock to 12 o’clock and then continue from 12 o’clock to 3 o’clock. That’s what happens when an analog signal is digitized. You can double the rate of sampling to reduce the incremental step sizes, but It still is an approximation that comes with harmonic artifacts as unwelcome passengers.

The choice is yours: accept the obviously noticeable inherent flaws of the quantization process at low sample rates of 44kHz or even 96kHz or make the jump to high resolution digital (DSD) at 192kHz or stay in the analog domain. 
 
I just did it two days ago for a few records (3) that had been digitalized into DSD with Ortofon 2M Red and now with Soundsmith Othello. There is a difference in the sound when playing them straight and there is a difference in sound when playing those two DSD copies. I am not sure if the level of the difference is the same in both cases, but it does exist.

Is the machine removing your pops and clicks influencing your sound by more than just removing pops and clicks?
chakster,
"To digitalise vinyl the cartridge is the most important thing first, then the DAC."
I think you mistyped. Did you mean ADC?

But i meant Digital Analog Converter (DAC) to listen to the digital files in good quality
and Analog to Digital Converter to digitalize records, yes

@confuse_upgraditi The Sugarcube will digitise and reproduce the analogue sound as best represented via the vinyl. The better the signal played through the cartridge to the 'Cube the better the sound out of the 'Cube. It only processes the abnormalities represented as the pops and clicks and negates them, as you know.

What a lot of responders have not realised is that your question does not involve storage to disk and its subsequent reproduction. You are using the 'Cube, a sound processor, to remove abnormalities on a vinyl record such as a scratch may give.

However, as stated before, the better the input to the 'Cube, the better the reproduction.

Ps. Love the Koala (I'm also from the land downunder)