Speakers positionning

In my listening room, treatment for side-wall reflections is not an option so toe-in is necessary to achieve a solid, focused presentation. Doing so results in a slightly "brighter" sound, which I balance by placing the speakers closer to the front wall for added bass reinforcement..

turnbowm9,

At the risk of just restating the obvious, in case you stopped your toe in process in route to an optimum set up---

One of the benefits of toe in is to ameliorate the effects of side wall reflections, but as you have noted you pick up some brightness as you toe in the speaker and get closer to listen on the axis of the speaker. If you continue the toe in until the speaker's axis is well in front of your listening position you will not only have reduced the sidewall  reflections substantially but you will now have a more tonally balanced sound. As Duke said (in effect) it looks a bit cross eyed but it really works well. In medium sized and smaller rooms it can be  a life saver (so to speak). And now that you don't have to push your speakers close to the wall to overwhelm the highs with bass tones, you enhance you imaging, especially depth of image. 

IME, the maximum toe in past your listening position would be similar to the angle if your speaker were pointed straight ahead, ie. you speakers manufacturer recommends pointing you speakers straight ahead, using a equilateral triangulated set up your toe in could be as much as 22.5 degrees.

FWIW, works well for me in a 19.5x13.5x9 ft room. 



 

My Magnepan 20.7 are toed in ’ahead’ of my listening position. With tweeters ’in’. The are only 18" closest edge, away from side walls. The outer edge of speaker is 58 1/2 inches forward of back wall, the inner edge is only 42 inches from back wall. Magnepan suggests the tweeter SHOULD be farther from the person than the bass panel. This arrangement meets that suggestion by maybe an inch or two.This is close to the same position I had my 3.6 Magnepan at (the 3.6 I added a 5" full height wing off the woofer side, that made them exactly the same width as my new 20.7s) When I got my Marantz SA-10 SACD i was able to dial in the exact position with female vocals to lock in the image. (It did move them slightly)
Now I wrote down the exact distances so I can move them to clean, and get them back, EXACT!

FWIW I said it wrong. The toe in would be 22.5 degrees PAST CENTER or the on-axis position.

Just reading this thread all the way through, it is apparent how different the speakers, rooms and listening preferences are among A'gon members.  This thread also shines a light on how differently we listen to our systems.  My system is in a dedicated room, optimized for one listener.  Some of you have quite different goals in mind and hence, what to me, seem like extreme set-ups to achieve that goal.  Live and let live!