‘modern’, ‘mainstream’ speakers—too many models converging towards too similar a sound


Over the last year I’ve auditioned a good number of speaker makes and models.  Through this process, I developed a kind of shorthand for myself to describe a particular kind of sound profile that I kept encountering, one that I came to call modern/mainstream.

Here’s the kind of speaker I’m talking about: typically a floorstander, fairly tall, narrowish baffle, deeper than it’s wide, tweeter on top, midrange, two or three 7” woofers.  It’s a design you’re going to encounter again, and again, and again.  Dynaudio, Quad, Paradigm, Monitor Audio, Sonus Faber, and many, many others.  (Not picking on those five—just for illustrative purposes).  It’s also a design that tends to come from large companies, some of them conglomerates, and one which consequently finds its way into more stores and more people’s consciousness because of the larger distribution and publicity networks involved.

And the sound.  Highly competent across the board, tending to the more detailed rather than the more forgiving, treble range quite prominent, decent but not incredible bass extension, more than acceptable imaging and soundstaging, perhaps the vaguest hint of a mechanical or electronic veil.  And above all, kind of unexceptional and unexciting.  They can range all over in price, and they don’t really sound that dissimilar one from another.  They are converging towards that single ‘modern’, ‘mainstream’ sound profile that’s becoming a norm.  It’s a safe design, with an acoustic presentation that many people these days seem to prefer or at least accept (or have been conditioned to believe is ‘correct’).  Being fairly narrow, it integrates well into many domestic environments, and the styling usually ensures a decent measure of SAF.

While there are still many individualists out there in the audio world, and the speaker design world in particular, this is a general trend that I lament, because I see it expanding and being more entrenched.


twoleftears
None of these diffraction elimination techniques can be accomplished on a narrow baffle because the round-over or absorption or whatever has to be a sufficiently large fraction of a wavelength in order to be effective. Therefore if we are serious about eliminating diffraction, the cabinet width is going to be fairly substantial.

And....digital room and digital speaker correction does not fix this.

Does not fix this.

Does not fix this.

It merely makes a smeary fuzzy mess that seems right or better.

For a while.

Then you finally hear it..... and toss the thing down the road to the next person who thinks it will be their savior.

IMO and IME, digital crossovers, room correction and speaker correction, are only charming to those who somehow can’t hear these pervasive and all encompassing distortions that are added into the mix. 

There is a reason that the biggest names in loudspeaker design don’t do digital. I’m not comfortable saying these things but they are indeed true. Citing examples won’t work, as those are exceptions, not the rule, and I’m not sure about the aural capacities and directions of their proponents. First time I heard a digital speaker, I walked way unimpressed. The last time I head a digital speaker, I walked away unimpressed. Ground level faults that brick wall the designs. Ground level faults being inescapable - as they are as - the inclusion of digital.

All things being equal, which they never are..all things being equal...the analog crossover (active or passive) will exceed the sonic quality aspects of a digital crossover.

Teo wrote:

"And....digital room and digital speaker correction does not fix this.
"Does not fix this.
"Does not fix this."

Agreed!!

Nor can DEQ fix radiation pattern anomalies.  How many audio shows have you done where you spend three expensive days with the speakers fighting the room, and that battle overshadows pretty much everything else you had hoped to showcase? 

Imo acoustic problems can only be fixed in the acoustic domain, because otherwise they will inevitably be super-imposed atop any signal, whether that signal is EQ’d or not.

I think mainstream speaker design today is largely driven by marketing research, wherein the question "what do the people want in a speaker?" leads to acoustically-compromised narrow-footprint towers. Imo this is in part because "the people" usually don’t know any better, but SOME people (those blessed with two left ears come to mind) learn as they listen and put two-and-two together.

That’s actually okay with me - I’d much rather all those big companies with their big R&D departments and big budgets keep trying to make a flawed idea work well, and leave wide-body speakers to us little guys and the people out there who listen with their ears instead of their eyes.

Duke

Same trend in cars. All identical. all only a few shades between black and white, on the grey scale. no bright colors, except the one mandatory red.                   
It is called marketing. And what happens when the bean counters rule the company. There are still a LOT of small unique companies selling a variety of unique speakers. particularly OUTSIDE the USA.
There's all kinds of ways of managing edge diffraction! On narrow speakers the time delay is virtually insignificant and it's really only a problem in the treble region. There are simple solutions to that problem too. Lenses, damping, horns of some sort. It's just technically convenient to drive the diffraction problem up the spectrum because higher frequencies are easier to manage. 

Kosst_amojan wrote: "There’s all kinds of ways of managing edge diffraction! On narrow speakers the time delay is virtually insignificant and it’s really only a problem in the treble region... It’s just technically convenient to drive the diffraction problem up the spectrum because higher frequencies are easier to manage. "

I think you have a misconception. It sounds like you think diffraction can be limited to high frequencies by using a narrow baffle. This is not the case. What a narrow baffle does is, it reduces the time delay between the arrival of the non-diffracted direct sound and the arrival of the diffracted sound.

(One thing a narrow baffle does do is, it raises the "baffle step" frequency, which is the frequency at which the baffle’s face no longer acts like a 180-degree horn. Perhaps this is what you were thinking of?)

I think a brief explanation of how the time delay of a diffracted signal impacts imaging is called for. Apologies in advance for getting technical here; to anyone who dislikes technical discussion, please avoid the next paragraph:

The ear derives directional cues primarily from the first .68 milliseconds of a signal. This is the time it takes for sound to travel about nine inches, and correlates to the distance around the head from one ear to the other. Diffraction or reflections arriving within that first .68 milliseconds tend to degrade the imaging because the ear gets a false secondary early-arrival cue that normally would correlate with sound that had reached one ear first and then travelled around the head to the other ear, diffraction’s time delay mimicking the arrival at the second ear. A small time delay (narrow baffle) would correspond to a smaller false angle for this false cue, while a larger time delay (wide baffle) would correspond to a larger false angle. So with a narrow baffle, the false cues are not as drastic. This is why, all else being equal, a narrow baffle generally has better imaging than a wider baffle. If the baffle is wide enough that NO reflections occur within that first .68 milliseconds, then the imaging should be excellent (which is what happens with precisely flush-mounted studio main monitors).

Diffraction has other negative effects which are beyond the scope of this post.

Kosst also said: "There are simple solutions to that problem too. Lenses, damping, horns of some sort."

I don’t know what you mean by "lenses" in this context.

Damping material has virtually no ability to absorb a sound wave travelling parallel to its surface; the sound wave has to strike the damping material at an angle in order to be absorbed by it. And the damping material has to be thick enough relative to those frequencies to absorb them effectively. If we want effective absorption the sound must strike the damping material at an angle, and if we want absorption down low enough in frequency then the damping material must be fairly thick in both width and depth.  A thick felt donut can help in the highs, but isn't going to do much in the mids. 

Assuming the horn itself is not a source of diffraction (most are), in order for a horn to have good radiation pattern control down low enough to usefully minimize cabinet edge diffraction, it must be fairly large... and now we’re back to having a wide baffle again, especially once we factor in the fairly large-radius lips the horn will need to avoid diffraction at its mouth. This is actually the technique that I use, but the result is not a narrow baffle.

Of the techniques you mention, aggressive use of damping material (combined with a small enough midrange driver to get enough damping material between edge of driver and edge of enclosure) sounds to me like the most promising for effectively minimizing diffraction in a relatively narrow-baffle speaker. I do not recall ever seeing this approach on any narrow tower speaker, probably because it would run counter to the primary purpose for using the narrow tower format in the first place: Aesthetic appeal.

Duke