No one can do the same, re-tipped or re-cantilevered ZYX is no longer ZYX cartridge, but some sort of hybrid with different sound.
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Dear chakstr, As we usually say : ''it depends..''. In present case it depends from what you mean by ''No one can do the same''? Identity relation is pretty complex. ''Relation'' imply at least two objects. But Wittgenstein stated: '' for two objects to state that they are identical make no sense and to say that every object is identical with itself says nothing''. One can actually state that two ZYX carts are not identical but, hopeful ''equal''. Something like two eggs. I have no idea how two eggs sound but two ZYX Airy should sound ''equal''. Shame that postage to Russian Federation is so expensive. Otherwise I would post my ZYX , retipped by Axel, to you so you could do the comaprison. Apriori statements like this may impress Kantians but not Fregean kinds of persons (grin). |
@nandric "the same" is what on the picture, "the hybrid" is what you have from Axel. I believe you have not even tried the original ZYX (did you?), what you have is not a ZYX, but no doubt that it’s still an MC cartridge that you can use, maybe you like it, but i know it’s not your favorite cartridge anyway. I don’t use ZYX cartridges anymore for practical reason, i just don’t want to buy new ZYX cartridge almost for 60-70% of full price each time the stylus is expired. I have better cartridges than my ex Zyx Airy III and Zyx Premium 4D (but 5 times cheaper rare vintage MM and some MC). What i know for sure is that my re-cantilevered (by Axel) cartridges are not equal to the original cartridges (same model). I’ve had at least 4 carts refurbished by Axel long time ago for previous owner, they were OK only until i’ve managed to buy an original. Then i realized the original is superior, completely different sound. It was Technics top of the line carts. Why do i have to believe that refurbished ZYX with different cantilever, different stylus is equal to the original ZYX made by Nakatsuka-San? For me it’s obvious that they are not equal, especially after i’ve tried and compared 4 samples of Axel work to the original Technics. So i don’t like the idea at all, but it’s just me (i am using only original cartridges so far). |
Dear chakster, Comparing retips of MM carts with MC carts is like comparing apples with pears. By MC carts the cantilever/stylus combo is glued in the called ''joint pipe'' . Usually aluminum tube. The joint pipe can be also called the moving part of the MC cart. This part consist of cantilever /stylus and coils and is connected with the generator by tension wire. The ''rubber ring'' or the suspension is fastened on the generator . Aka behind the moving part. There is not much difference between boron cantilevers and all those variations (copies) of shibata stylus shape. Because of the patent issues those have different names. In my metaphoric description they look as one egg to the other. One can hardly see any difference . Considering the fact that those cantilever/ styli combos are provided by the same producer(s) to the retippers as well the (cart) producers it is not reasonable to assume different ''animals''. I retipped just one of my MM carts. When I have seen how this is done I have never again retipped any of my MM carts. The new cantilever is glued on the restant or cut off old cantilever. Besides those MM carts with tension wire can't be fixed by any retipper. Not to mention the suspension by such carts. I have had many disputes with you about those ''details''. I think that I have more experience then you in this ,uh, ''field''. |
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