Nature of the current used speaker market


What do you think of the current market for used speakers above the $6,000 price point?  It seems to me like the market is soft, really soft, since I keep seeing the same speakers posted for sale over and over again by the same seller.  And these are top flight speakers from solid manufacturers such as Focal, B&W, Rockport, Sonus Faber, etc.  Does this mean the number of audiophiles and audio enthusiasts is on the wane, or is there just a glut of used speakers for sale out there? 
mtrot

I hope folks don’t mind me sharing my views on these forums. They can come off alarming I know, but my posts here are based in reality not fiction.

The 80’s and 90’s we spent our time as insiders recruiting young and middle aged listeners into this wonderful hobby. HEA up till the mid-90’s fit. The hobby was still pure in many ways bringing in fresh designers who were sound driven more than money. The CES was the mother of shows and then the other shows were the regional spin offs supporting the CES. The main floor of the CES today, is young an full of innovation, teamed up with a mature foundation. Electronics now are performance based with affordability and practicality in mind. Today’s electronics aren’t here to replace the room, but to use it as part of the equation.

The now generation looks at equipment stacked against a wall quite differently vs the guys trying to impress by saying how much their system cost them. Now, hobbyist using a dollar amount to describe their system means nothing. Look at the posts here using a dollar figure to describe their sound instead of sound itself describing the sound. Those statements hold no appeal for the guy or gal walking around the CES main floor. HEA has isolated itself for 20 some years now, not being the leader any more, and not even being a competitor in smart systems.

Smart audio is about using the environment as the medium, not sitting there looking at components as if they can do something magical. Are you following me yet? Saying "my system cost $250,000.00" is yesteryear. It registers a zero for a 25 year old music lover looking to be inside of a soundstage. Listeners now are looking to the experience not a component chassis. Most of them don’t know what a radioshack RTA even is. Today’s listener is beyond home brew bench testing, or home brew "experts" looking at numbers to explain their distortion levels. Some of the new listeners reading this post right now are going to be getting ahold of me, simply for the reason that I’m talking about now. And, that’s not going to change or suddenly flip back to some old school belief in expensive chassis. Remember the days when there was a radioshack or 2 in every town along with a couple of stereo stores? There’s a reason they are no longer there. There's a reason HEA is no longer on the main floor of the CES.

mg

What a myopic point of view. We regret the geniuses of the past, and their passing. But there are new ones on the rise. There are commercial people who know what current markets are. HEA is still there because there are more millionaires in this world than ever. More billionaires than ever. They cover the high end and middle markets just on their own.

There is a bigger market than contributors and readers on Audiogon.

The 3 speaker pairs that i've owned for 15-20 years, and still love, have 10", 12" and 15" woofers.  I have tried several times to replace them with more modern designs with 6.5", 7", and 8" pairs of woofers... you know, the slender tower type, and they have all left me unsatisfied.   All very good speakers, with great detail & imaging.... but I never really fell for them.  I guess I just can't buy into a full range speaker with small woofers!   My guess is that many people are unsatisfied with modern "good looking, decor friendly" speakers, but they just don't know why.
Yup. It's increasingly easy to make money if you already have a lot of it, virtually no effort. Those people buy new, some of them are even audiophiles. It's mafia syndicate capitalism.
Happy listening, as some here say.

Hi inna, you said

"Those people buy new, some of them are even audiophiles."

I don’t see these guys showing up at the HEA trade shows do you?

I might be way off target but I don’t see the market the way some here are describing it at all. Let me give an example.

2 years ago we were approached by a HEA rep who wanted to push our products (happens often nothin new). My first question was "where’s your website" he didn’t have one. Next I asked how much did he sale at his last show of another product he carried? He bragged $47,000.00. I come to find out that the company he was talking about sold zero $$$$ at that show. The hype projected in HEA right now is desperate at best.

here’s another example

Talked with a designer (well known) about his price increases over the last few years. We asked "is the product better" to which he answered "nope, I’m selling 1/10 the product I did a couple of years ago".

What I’m saying is, the market has changed and the people who did buy $$$,$$$.00 are not being fooled anymore. 5k for an amp folks could deal with, 10k they even bought into it. But when the price and size race took off, and when you only got a volume control, the fate was sealed. Millionaires are rich, they’re not stupid. They’re not buying into a C Class selling for $40,000.00 jumping over night to $400,000.00. Not happening with Mercedes and for sure isn’t happening with HEA once reality sets in. Reality is setting in.

Audiophiles are fine, HEA?, is in the middle of redefining itself.

mg