How do you know what a good speaker is?


Frequency response for high end speakers at every price level is usually relatively flat. The differences in audible sound quality reported by audiophiles is disproportionate to the differences in frequency response between different speakers therefore frequency response cannot be a very significant factor in what we're hearing.
Distortion is usually below 0.5% so again the same reasoning applies.
I'm not convinced that polar response is quite as important as is sometimes claimed. 

If you look at the specs of most ultra high end loudspeakers,  there's no hard evidence provided by the manufacturers to justify their claims that their speaker is vastly superior.
And if there was it would need to be independently verified.

So how does the consumer know how close any given loudspeaker is to the ideal loudspeaker? How do we know how close a loudspeaker is to recreating the sound of a violin, cello, piano, human voice, or anything else? 

What makes a magico vastly different from a yg or Wilson? On the other hand if the difference between these speakers is extremely small then why is there such a discrepancy in opinions and why do we need a yg and a magico and Wilson and tidal audio and b&w etc on the market if they're all so similar?  







kenjit
n80 wrote:  I don't see how measuring a speaker against what a live guitar or live piano sounds like is practical. Even in a live situation a mic'd acoustic guitar will sound different from an un-mic'd guitar.



Agreed there are problems involved in comparing live to reproduced sound.

Yet I have to say I've found such comparisons quite useful and enlightening.

I've been obsessed with live vs reproduced sound as long as I can remember.  So when I became more fervent about trying many different speakers and systems, in the field but especially in my own home, I made decent quality recordings of familiar acoustic sounds - my wife's voice, sons, my acoustic guitar, my sons playing their school instruments - trombone, sax, etc.

Being extremely familiar with those sounds, they really illuminate how closely a speaker in question can reproduce them.  And sometimes I would do direct live vs reproduced comparisons (typically with speakers in my home).

Lots of speakers fail the comparisons, but some are surprising. 
My Thiel 3.7 speakers, for instance, reproduced the sound of my playing my acoustic guitar with fairly astonishing accuracy - timbre accuracy, clarity, etc.

My MBL 121 omnis can reproduce the sound of my son playing sax with amazing verisimilitude. 


But I don't always need those recordings on hand.  When I go to audio shows, or high end stores listening to systems, it's often the case there are real voices nearby (obviously at audio shows, and often at a high end store the salesman may be talking to me or chatting with someone else).

So I often stop and take stock: if I'm playing, say, a good recording of Johnny Cash or some other simply mic'd male voice, I close my eyes and listen to the real voices present in the room and compare it to the reproduced voice.  What IS IT that the real voices have that distinguish them from the voice coming through a sound system?  It's always very telling, and the systems that actually have the least obvious departure from the real voices are the ones that  I inevitably find the most mesmerizing and satisfying for long listening sessions.  (Naturally the more complex and demanding the music source may be, the less able a modest system will be able to keep up.  But, in general, a system that captures certain essences of live sound, to my ears, tends to predict longer satisfaction FOR ME).





The "live vs. recorded" thing always mystifies me...is a driving simulator like actually driving? I own high end acoustic guitars, there's an acoustic piano in my hifi listening room, I've been a professional musician for 50 years, I mix live acoustic and electric concerts, and otherwise I'm simply wonderful, although that part is debatable. I KNOW recorded music sounds different from my guitar in my lap, but don't care one iota as I can enjoy the stuffing out of recordings anyway, as long as the performance is great and the producer and engineer aren't idiots. I've been to classical concerts where you could barely hear much of the music (Brad Mehldau playing unamplified piano in a hall that eats sound, the BSO hall burying it's orchestra in reverberant mush), and have heard other acoustic and miked stuff that was astonishing...including a recent Vijay Iyer duet with Dr. Lewis Porter...2 unmiked pianos...astonishing. If you want your last Metallica concert reproduced in your apartment you deserve the eviction notice your landlord is working on, otherwise just remember you're not actually driving.
When I get to hear a really excellent system, that's when I know that the speakers are excellent.
Forget about the looks, specs and demo them on your amp.I have found the only way to really cover the spectrum is to use 2 or 3 pairs of different speakers.That will fill the gaps in the spectrum and let you adjust tone/volume to support your lounge etc...every room is different with audio.
I run 3 pairs, only stereo.AR8's with qsc/qst speakers from an active lead guitar amp combo.Sony 3 way from a MHC-G77.Aiwa from a retro hi power NSX90, 7 speakers in each box.And sometimes i switch on the G77 with the aux in from the main system which is running JBL control one pro's.Not a single frequency missed.Took some time to sort it out as I have vinyl strip floor....did not have the problem when it was carpeted.