Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


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I was 'accidentally thinking about the 'first point of reflection'  and looking at my walls, then the speakers it suddenly dawned on me... 
My Magnepan 20.7 Speakers (being only 2 thick) are virtually lined up so they look 2" thick or perfectly sideways, to the point of first reflection.            
What an interesting coincidence!                   
Also points to the sad state of my actual interest in room tuning correction! (since I have had the previous Magnepan 3.6 for EIGHT YEARS, and now the 20.7 for 9 months in the same position, and never once noticed this.)              
 (sorry sorry) but It was such an odd accidental discovery I just had to tell SOMEBODY who would find it slightly interesting.             

Hi Elizabeth

Have you ever started a thread on your system? If so, what's the link?

http://tuneland.forumotion.com/f3-home-audio-systems

If you ever want to start one on TuneLand above is the page. I know of one member of TuneLand that would really get into your setup and of course there are many readers.

Your an easy read and I would bet one of the favorite posters here on Agon. It would be cool for you to have a section of your own where you gave your thoughts on audio and folks could come visit with you on specifics. I would love to have that thread or section on TuneLand.

Magnepan are great listening tools, iconic. There is a certain class Maggie owners bring to the hobby. I not only like the speaker and the speaker's history, but also enjoy the Magnepan owner attitude. Magnepan is part of the HEA, but more, is a true "Audiophile" product.

Michael

@michaelgreenaudio - sounds like a recruiting pitch
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Right in tune
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