Too good to be true?


Good morning to the community.  I recently became aware that Pass Labs has put out a new stereo amplifier – the XA25.  The XA25 retails for $4,900 and seems to be getting rave reviews.

Does anyone have any experience with this amplifier?  If so, what are your impressions and observations? 

Thanks, and a great weekend to all!  

an10490413
My **guess** is that you’ll be ok pairing the XA25 with the ML 11A if your room is of average size or less, and if (as appears to be the case) your listening does not include recordings having extremely wide dynamic range (such as some classical symphonic recordings that have been engineered with minimal or no dynamic compression). Especially given that the speakers incorporate powered woofers which are crossed over at 300 Hz.

I do have some uncertainty, though, stemming from three things:

1) Stereophile measured the sensitivity of the somewhat larger ML 15A speaker (which also incorporates a powered woofer crossed over at 300 Hz) as being 87 db/2.83 volts/1 meter, which is 5 db less than the 92 db/2.83 volts/1 meter spec of that speaker.

2) The 4 ohm nominal impedance of both the 15A and the 11A means that on a per watt basis their efficiencies are 3 db less than their 2.83 volt sensitivities (since 2.83 volts into 4 ohms corresponds to 2 watts).

So it appears quite possible that the efficiency of your speakers may be as low as 91 - 5 -3 = 83 db/1 watt/1 meter.

On the other hand, though, per John Atkinson’s measurements the XA25 is capable of delivering 130 watts into 4 ohms, with the 80 watt delta relative to the amp’s official rating of 50 watts for a 4 ohm load being due in part to Pass basing their power rating on much lower distortion percentages than JA bases his measurements on, and in part to the amp transitioning from class A to class AB at some power level (that I presume is not a lot higher than 50 watts).

3) JA found that the amp’s distortion performance degrades somewhat in the treble region when the load impedance drops to low values at high frequencies. And the 11A’s impedance descends to 0.6 ohms at 20 kHz.

So, again, my guess is that you would be ok pairing an XA25 with your speakers, given your listening habits and assuming your room is not particularly large. But there are reasons to be uncertain about that.

Good luck, however you decide to proceed. Regards,
-- Al
When reading the review, the first thing I thought of was the Benchmark Amp and how it would compare to the pass
@almarg 

The actual reason that Pass amps reach the 1% clipping threshold JA uses so far beyond their rating is because Nelson likes to build big power supplies that deliver a gratuity of voltage. He discussed this strategy in his 2016 BA lecture (selected topics on FET push-pull output stages) where he explains the F5 topology and the parts he used in the XA25, which is basically an F5 with a buffer stage to drive the IXSYS outputs. They have a high gate capacitance which is probably why it has the trouble you describe in the treble region with low impedance loads. 
the Pass dealer out West offers a generous trial/return program, call Mark if you are in USA....give it a whirl.....
Kosst, thanks for the good info!  I'll check out the Burning Amp lecture.

And +1 re Tomic's suggestion of contacting Mark at Reno HiFi.  That is the dealership I purchased my XA25 from.  In addition to providing generous trial/return privileges, he offers great advice and is a pleasure to deal with.

Regards,
-- Al