Dear Fellow SC IVA owners


Dear SC IVA owners. I recently made some improvements to my SC IVAs that were transforming when all were added up together. I thought I'd share these and hope others contribute to what improvements they have made. 1. Added Sunfire IV subwoofers set at the lowest crossover point and very very low volume. This improved midrange noticeably by opening it up while the bass went a bit deeper. Spread speakers out from each other nearer sides of room so at least 2.5 feet farther from each other with major improvement in detail and clarity. Added symposium ultra platforms under each speaker with Walker points under the platforms. Major improvement again. All of these transformed my sound from very good but slightly cloudy to very clear with even deeper and tighter bass, a scary musicality rare in any component and a top to bottom coherence that this speaker is known for. I hope someone else has had similar success and perhaps some other new tips. All of these improvements except the subwoofers came from suggestions from other Audiogon members.
jonathanhorwich
Hi Jonathan. I owned Duntech Princess (older sibling to the DAL SC IV) for 19 years and have four friends who also owned or still own that model. Based on that I've had quite a bit of experience with rooms, placement, amps, etc.

I absolutely agree with your recommendation to add a subwoofer. While the Princess and SC IV have very decent bass response by themselves, they (like most full range speakers) can benefit by the removal of the bottom one or two octaves. As you suggest, this is more to benefit the upper bass and midrange than for bass extension. I did not have room to add subs but two friends did and both the Vandersteen and Velodyne subs can be made to match very well.

A few thoughts on placement. First, John Dunlavy often recommended long wall placement for his speakers. I believe this was because of the need to keep them away from sidewalls. Second, he recommended an equilateral triangle placement between speakers and prime listening spot. Taking a clue from the Owner Manual, factory frequency response measurements were made at a distance of 3M to allow integration of the drivers. Based on this, I feel that 10-11 feet should be optimum distances for the triangle. Third, I did extensive testing for smoothest bass response in my room and ended up with the front baffle of the speakers 44" out from the front wall (your distance may vary, depending on room characteristics). And fourth, I found toe-in with drivers pointing 2-3' behind my head (inside cabinet wall just visible) to be best.

Don't ignore listening height. The D'Apolito array means that vertical spacing is just as important as horizontal. Try to have your ears at the same elevation as the tweeters.

I think the question of spikes, platforms, etc. will be dependent on floor composition (wood suspension, concrete, etc.), floor covering, and amplifier choice (with resulting woofer damping).

I still consider the Duntech and DAL speakers to be among the best available. But they are very revealing of set up and component matching. Spending the time to optimize both for your situation will be musically rewarding.
Pryso, if I'm not mistaken John Dunlavy did not recommend an equilateral triangle and the Dunlavy's aren't a true D'Appolito array.
Unsound, the manual for my Princess showed an equilateral triangle for speakers and prime listening seat. Also, I had the pleasure of chatting with John a couple of times in person and discuss speaker set up. Equilateral is what he advocated and how he set up his speakers (DAL) at shows.

My understanding of a D'Appolito MTM array is for two midrange drivers spaced equal distance above and below the tweeter with a phase appropriate crossover.

http://stereos.about.com/od/glossaryoftermsd/g/Dappolito.htm

While not all of John Dunlavy's designs (Duntech and DAL) conformed to this array, all but the earliest and smallest did so, including the Princess and Jonathan's SC IVas.
Pryso, perhaps the Duntech's have different instructions than the Dunlavy's. I've just double checked my copy of the Dunlavy instruction sheet and the guidelines for speaker setup suggest distances that are not quite equilateral as a starting point. A D'Appolito array is indeed a MTM array, but all MTM arrays are not D'Appolito arrays. D'Appolito arrays require specific distances between those drivers and a very different cross-over than those used by John Dunlavy. I too had the good fortune to speak with John Dunlavy a few times and one time at some length. The audiophile community suffered a great loss with his passing. Please let me congratulate you on your excellent choice in speakers.
I absolutely do not recommend adding a subwoofer to the SCIV system. The SCIV is an incredibly coherent speaker system. Adding a subwoofer would only degrade the coherency. Besides, if the system is set up properly the performance from top to bottom is amazing.
Measurements for the SCIV are actually taken at 10 feet not 3 meters.
My best results with the Dunlavy SCIV were achieved by not using an equilateral triangle, but every room is different. The room will dictate the best arrangement.
A true D'Appolito design requires a 3rd order 18bd per octave crossover allowing the drivers to have the same horizontal dispersion characteristics.
The Dunlavy SCIV actually places the tweeter slightly below ear level.
I also spoke with John Dunlavy on numerous occasions along with his marketing manager who's name escapes me at the moment. John recommended starting as close to the wall behind the speakers as possible and moving them out as needed. 44" from the rear wall may be the reason one might feel the need for a subwoofer.
I have the ability to reverse my listening room. I can turn it around 180 degrees. When I set up speakers on one wall the speakers end up about 40" into the room. It doesn't matter what speakers. All speakers sound the best in approximately the same place.
When I reverse the room the speakers can be much closer to the wall behind them because the listening position moves forward. And this is how the Dunlavys sounded the best in my room, close to the rear wall and spaced far apart in a non-equilateral triangle, but this is how my room works and it has nothing to do with other rooms.